Scammed! I accidentally bought a fake Tudor Black Bay 58

Here’s a short video of my experience accidentally buying a fakeTudor Black Bay 58. Please note that since making the video, I have opened the caseback and it houses a generic unbranded movement.

The bigger reminder is to buy from reputable sources and be extra careful when there’s no documentation, but see if you can spot the differences.

Tags: Fake Tudor Black Bay 58 Scammed Tudor fake watch buyer alert Rolex Omega clone watch rep watch super clone superclone

[ReluctantWatchCollector]

Please note that since I made the video, I have had the caseback opened and it is an unbranded non chronometer grade movement, probably an ETA 2824 clone. Unfortunately I can’t post photos without uploading a new separate video.

[DW-xtvz]

This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Because it’s all about helping others and taking full responsibility for being burned in the first place. No whining, just honest reflection. So rare to find anywhere. Thanks for posting!

[slashdotism]

The easiest way to tell without taking off the back is to pull the crown. If it has a ghost position it's a fake. These fakes made by a factory called ZF have a clone ETA 2824 which have a date setting which the real movement doesn't. So pull the crown, if it has two clicks it's a fake, 1 click it's 99.5% real. You can even put it in the date position and feel the date wheel moving when you turn the crown in this position. There is a way to remove the date setting by swapping out the setting lever jumper but nobody does it. Pretty fool proof method for telling if a BB58 is a fake or not without comparing anything to the real deal or photos of a real watch. That being said, the biggest tell for the ZF BB58 is the flat texture of the dial. The real Tudor dial has a slight texture to it that you can see in direct sunlight and with close inspection but it's a much harder tell than the date setting. Best of luck in your next purchase mate.

[danielsoosay]

Hope the scammer is caught. The fake watch is getting so good that it’s hard to distinguish and always best to buy from reputable dealer or have the watch authenticated before purchase. Thanks for being kind to share your experience

[diogeneslantern]

The rep industry is absolutely HUGE. The factories actually interact with 'professional' rep collectors who give them feedback on where they can improve. I keep a keen eye on it to better inform myself. Rolex, Tudor, Omega, AP, PP, JLC, actually, any luxury brand even somewhat entry level like Oris or Longines are repped, and it is mindblowing how good they get every iteration.

[desiderium]

Honestly other than the movement and physical presence a lot of the differences are so minute that they’re hard to detect.

[sharinglungs]

Without an authentic at hand or experience with one a rep can be so hard to tell. It’s a real shame there are scumbags out there scamming people. I hope the police catch the scumbag.

[jjlad]

When in doubt, always meet at your watchmaker nd have him open the watch for inspection. If the seller balks at the idea, then run.

[WristHunt]

Even with professionals, these reps get by. Case + movement is still abit challenging for black bay fakes, but those bracelets have come so close.. it's almost impossible to tell with a 100x zoom

[everwake]

I own several Tudors as it is my favourite brand, and I wear them daily, for fun I bought a replica of one I already own ( GMT) and it is only in adjusting the movement I can tell them apart. So it would be an easy mistake to make if you do not have a real one or can open it. great video, and a good reminder.

[Milofchg]

Sorry to hear about this. This is why it’s best to wait to get a watch from an AD. So many people get burned from flippers or sellers on these online suction sites.

[gregnatividad]

Thanks for this video, man! Got scammed myself from a vintage Tudor sub. I even opened the case back and all and it was signed an all. But so many things didn’t align. The serial is for a no date version, luminova and not tritium, the movement was a non hacking one.

Glad I was able to return it still. But I had to pretend I was going to buy more watches from that seller.

Indeed buy the seller.

[scottgodwin]

Thanks very much for your video. Upon inspection of my movement I found I was in the same situation as you. Bought my Black Bay Heritage from a dealer who got the watch from an estate sale. Removed the case and found no Tudor stamps on the movement.

[astifcaulkinyeras]

Bring your own case back opener. If the seller doesn't let you open it then walk away. Modern Rolexes & Tudors have a free sprung balance.

[krit]

One of the best watch YT watch videos I've seen (and I've seen a lot), for all the reasons user D W mentioned and more. To the OP, keep it up! That said, and I hope it's not kicking someone when they're down, since the OP sounds well past that point, but this is such an amateur-ish mistake, and goes to show most people have no business buying grey/private.

[notDonaldFagen]

The pip looks a little larger, and the gilt on the bezel looks a bit pale. But tough to tell from the angles provided. On some vids of rep spotting I've seen, the richness and body of the all the dial text and minute track don't have as much body on the reps and are flatter and duller in how it plays with light.
Curious, did the clasp have the ceramic friction points? I feel like that's something that most reps would gloss over? The feeling is so smooth and effortless, yet so secure.

[darrenaquilina]

I would never buy a watch unless new from a boutique. These reps are getting scary good. Great video, very informative.

[planarian]

The Tudor Black Bay, wether it's the original 41 or the 58 has a unique feature where the bezel is slightly harder to turn when it's at the prime 12 o'clock position. I don't need to tell you why so is this, but I think this is a point worth checking when you're buying a new watch.

[TheCameltotem]

Unless you know EXACTLY the tell signs for a specific model dont ever buy grey. You have no idea how close some of them are.

[NoPhilters]

Zf bb58! Great rep to wear as a daily lol! The rep lacks the warmth of the gen. Flatter dial, lume is whiter, crown stem slightly longer