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[SniperDiplomat]

My favorite moment was definitely the pre-battle dinner between Leo and Orso, where Orso is delightfully running circles around Leo's dim bulb of a brain. Much like in real life, Leo's reaction to his entire philosophy being proven wrong was to double down. Leo's the fantasy version of a reactionary so that whole scene was painfully familiar (while also being super fun.)

[trumanb]

I loved the parallel between Leo and Glockta. Even early on when Leo only had a bad leg and he started talking about stairs in the same way that Glockta used to in the first trilogy.

[anangryscorpion]

Orso has all the potential to be my favourite Abercrombie character to date, which is really saying something. So many possibilities for the last book in the trilogy, Joe really has left himself a ton of threads to play with, I'm expecting book 3 to be a pretty chunky one.
Also a scene i really loved was the funeral/death scene of The Dogman, actually got a little emotional reading that, but then, I always did love The Dogman.

[jeanerasmus]

I freaking love all those chaotic chapters where we get inside every side character's head during all the mess. The suspense just won't stop building up.. whew!!!

[coreywells]

One of my favorite small parts of the audio book is that Jappo’s voice Is done in the same gravelly harsh whisper as Shivers. Before the line where Orso thinks he looks like a Northman, I was like it’s shiver’s son!!!

[plr]

I love how all of Abercrombie's books deal so well with combat. They show the strategy, unpredictability, cruelty, cowardice, bravery and just dumb luck involved. Plus, he follows up with the aftermath which adds to the complexity of conflicts.

[bradleyheck]

I don't see Leo being clever enough to fill Glokta's crutches, but that is an interesting take I hadn't considered

[mpsensha]

Shivers is still around, that's nice. The other son. 😆

[Lily_James]

I loved this gush of yours because I can 100% relate.
5 best parts of this genius book for me were (SPOILERS obviously):
1. Ardee's and Finree's matchmaking, especially the part when Ardee is making fun of the Young Lion ("Will you catch me if I faint?" and "Rawrrrr!"). I almost choked I laughed so hard.
2. Jappo. His brief cameo made him an instant scene stealer. Also his apperance basically confirming he is Shivers's son. O_o Btw if you haven't listened to Steven Pacey's narration of the Jappo scenes, you're missing out. The price of the audiobook is worth that alone.
3. Leo being gay for Jurand and his gay trip with his gay friends in Sipani. Approved by his wife. Priceless.
4. Rikke, a freaking badass MOFO getting the better of everyone, and also her every single interaction with Daddy Shivers and Isern-i-Phail. What a wholesome trio.
5. Orso being done with life but trying anyway. When is this poor guy going to catch a break? x(

[SpencerDragonMonster]

Oddly, you're the only one other than me so far who's noticed the "Leo becomes Glockta" thing.

[RiceRuka]

Now that you mention Leo is similar with Glokta, I actually feel it. He def has that potentional. I only started book3, so I wonder how his story will end.

[Monkeydudem]

I bawled like a baby at the Dogmans funeral

[RetroBailey]

I dont think ive known a character deeper then Caul Shivers. It feels like everything he says is dripping history and pathos like i know exactly why he says and acts the way he does. He went from naive and trying to be honourable to spiteful and bloodthirsty to nihilistic and ambivalent to the man he is today, one who sees the world for what it is, dosent try to fight it or change but just looks after the people in his life he cares about with no venom or hatred in him even for his enemies.

[levicleeman]

I absolutely love every POV in this latest trilogy - but my favourite by far is Clover. I NEED more Clover.

[Gatzlocke]

Also Jappo! I loved that interaction with Orso!

[orcanimal]

"Magic is fading from the world". By the way, did you know that Joe has said (in multiple interviews now) that he's always liked the idea of taking the trope of magic fading from the world and then subverting it and having magic suddenly return after some years. He's implied a few times that books he'll potentially write after this trilogy will explore that idea.
I, for one, am very excited. I'm torn about one thing: whether or not I want to catch one last glimpse of an elderly nine-fingered northman or not. I loved his Shane-like departure in Red Country, and it's kind of the perfect ending for him. But I would love to see him just one last time maybe? Anyway, torn.

[bradleyheck]

Pike started out as the fat quartermaster Rews to San Dan Glockta's unit during the short story in The Sharp Ends. Later, Rews is one of the merchants that Glokta tortures and sends to the Angland mines, where his face is horribly burned. He re-emerges under the name Pike in Before They Are Hanged.

[redbeard]

I’m so happy! I had *almost* as much fun listening to your review as I did reading the books (I need to start meeting my friends based on how much they love Abercrombie.)

I agree that Savine was the standout of ALH, while the most interesting characters in TWP were Orso and Rikke. That makes me wonder if in the 3rd book we’ll see a larger char arc from Leo (aka new Glokta - the scene where he’s walking up the stairs to be hanged was an almost exact copy of Glokta walking up stairs in an earlier book).

I also hope we see more Jappo. The chapter where he meets with Leo than Orso was brilliant. Def one of my favorites....and the tease of who Jappos’ father is!!!

One thing you didn’t mention is just how fucking funny parts of this book were. I literally lol’d a few times: definitely like women.”


But first I have to wait a year while reading inferior books by people that arn’t Abercrombie and pretending that any other author can fill the First Law sized hole in my life! 🙈

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Something I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. Savine's baby might be seriously fucked up. All the pearl dust, drinking, the pretty serious injury to the mother from the cannon. Not to mention the fact it might be an incest baby since we know Savine and Orso banged after Valbeck. I wonder if there will be an effect on it.

Edit: yees Rikke, Shivers and Isern are the best trio ever!

[jake.presents]

1 of my favorite chapters is Leo being coerced into marrying Savine. The contrast right after her chapter. How they've plotted it down to having a ring and Savine waiting on his balcony. He's so outmatched and clueless the entire time. And Ardee's "2 *grand* mothers line"…