A Return to Cosmic Christianity | with Bishop Barron

Most viewers would need no introduction to Bishop Robert Barron. He is a the Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles in the Catholic Church. He's also an author, speaker, theologian, and founder of Word on Fire, a global media ministry.

I finally had the opportunity to talk with him in the wake of the recent "Four Horsemen of Meaning" discussion on Jordan Peterson's channel (linked below). We discuss the current opening up in culture and return to topics like meaning and the more mystical and participative aspects of Christianity. The problems of atheism, iconoclasm, social justice, ethics, the critical historical approach to religion, addiction and finally the church fathers that have inspired us.

Bishop Barron's work:

=============================

Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:06 - The Four Horsemen of Meaning discussion
00:03:10 - The cleansing capacity of atheists
00:06:20 - Postmodernism opened doors about narrative
00:09:04 - The critical historical approach VS Worldbuilding
00:11:19 - Outbreaks of iconoclasm / Architecture
00:20:17 - Do Orthodox people understand this more?
00:21:29 - Returning to the cosmic liturgy
00:22:50 - The liturgy war: worship VS ethics
00:26:14 - Without worship we're open to corruption
00:27:13 - The master theme of the Bible
00:29:45 - The church VS the culture
00:31:05 - Addiction is also liturgical
00:34:07 - What do we worship?
00:38:08 - There is hope for a change in culture
00:42:04 - Back to bad church architecture
00:45:17 - Social justice without the mystical
00:49:59 - The author of Revelation & psychedelics
00:51:08 - Who's your go-to Eastern father?
00:56:52 - Bishop Barron talking about Jordan Peterson
00:59:04 - Outro

=============================

The Symbolic World podcast:

More videos from The Symbolic World:

Join the conversation:

Support this channel:

Social media links:

My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

[lukeabbott]

I'm glad to be young during this rejuvenation of Christianity. I hope it lasts and I hope I can contribute to it somehow.

[vannisanti]

So cool that you and the bishop continue the horsemen of meaning conversation. Man you are spoiling us Jonathan! Thank you so much for your work! Hope for more civilised Catholic and Orthodox conversations like this, it gives us hope!

[bookishbrendan]

BB has single-handedly opened the door to Catholicism for this stodgy young atheist. I love his videos and his teddy-bear personality. Great to see him dialoguing with greats like Pageau and Peterson and Vervaeke. The Four Horsemen of Meaning has an awesome ring to it. What a great counter to the horrid New Atheism moniker from last decade.

[PaulVanderKlay]

Now I can't keep up! Glad YouTube stores these things :) Glad this happened.

[vetfred]

As a catholic I love entering an Orthodox Church much more than in our modern churches and I see the way they behave in their churches transmits the sense of sacred which we lost

[zenuno]

'Everyone is worshipping Baal' based Bishop. This was a high quality interviewee, very knowledgeable.

[CNArtDesign]

Bishop, as a new Catholic who was led to the Church through lessons from Jonathan, I was very heartened to hear your thoughts in this conversation.
Thank you.
Let’s hope the church continues to wake up to these things.

[hatzlmike]

I am 52 and you guys saved my Spiritual Life

[wheretruth_lies]

So grateful for Bishop Barron and Jonathan Pageau. I'm in my mid 20's in Australia and I feel like my generation/culture lacks so much meaning

[bencausey]

Coming from a mostly southern baptist background, I’ve been overwhelmingly attracted the past few years to the seemingly more passionate and heartfelt worship and loving kindness of Catholic and Orthodox believers. Thank you both so much for your obedience and outward representation of love for God.

[martinjlord]

I’m an evangelical pastor who pastors in an old Orthodox Roman Catholic Church building. I look at the old photos of the church and mourn the loss off the beauty of the spiritual art work that was painted over. I also deeply appreciate the cathedrals of Europe the beauty of the creative church space needs to be restored. Another thought as to spiritual art is that it also helped the largely illiterate masses to visualize the biblical stories through the centuries. Thank you for the the great conversation. I love this cross Christian dialogue.

[ourblessedtribe]

If I was dying of cancer and had a "make a wish" I am not exaggerating that my first request would be for the 4 horsemen to tour the world having these dialogos together!!

If the philosophers of the past were alive today THIS is where they would be.

Dear Pageau, Bishop, Peterson, Vervaeke. Please forsake whatever else would steal you from exploring these things together. You have been the access point for us to set our minds on things above. We need more of this!!

[kyrieeleison]

Jordan and Camille Paglia's discussion was instrumental in breaking me of my militant atheism, feminism, and satanism, bringing me back to the Catholic Church. I idolized the "Four Horsemen of Atheism." However, I have since graduated onto E. Michael Jones, Fr. Ripperger, Robert Sungenis, and Archbishop Vigano for guidance in these troubling times, outside of prayer, the TLM, and the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, of course.

[rileylanning]

The Four Horsemen of Meaning would be an incredible weekly podcast. I would pay to listen to you guys discuss every week or month. 😂😂 Thanks Jonathan and Bishop Barron for all you do. I love you all so much! God bless🙏☦️

[vibeon]

Wow what an amazing talk! Thanks so much. Such a valuable discussion.This has got me feeling very excited to be apart the new generation of Christianity! 🙏🏻❤️

[thomazprimoalves]

I thank our Lord for being able to watch both lungs of The Church breathing together, in this talk!

[eternalperspectiveofficial]

My faith has been strengthened by this conversation. God bless you both.

[michaelbedell]

I am a 26 year old High School Theology Teacher in Ohio. I teach scripture and Jordan Peterson has become the backbone of my teaching, and Barron, I cannot thank you enough for the quality resources that you have given us to teach true, mystical, moral, beautiful Catholicism. I will say, the historical-critical and sjw strains of Catholicism are still very present in the schools. I know what many young theology teachers are coming from the seminaries, which have been fed by both of your influences, but many come from the mission-trip-minded world (where environmentalism and immigration are King, not Christ). I have been fed so well by what all of you are doing, and while I probably won't be showing these lectures in class (sorry, you guys are incredibly boring to teenagers in the classroom setting) I will absolutely be teaching everything I have been hearing. Thank you to both of you.

[jeremyyakscoe]

Baptized into the catholic faith last year. Peterson is absolutely the one who helped me hear the truth that is Christ.
I have a long journey ahead, but this video is the evidence that God is with me if I only choose him.
Praise be to God.

[johnb]

I was raised in the same era of Catholicism as you, Bishop Barron and was basically left to figure it all out on my own. I never left because, for some reason I intuited something that was much deeper than I, in my simplicity could comprehend, let alone express with words. I also sensed the flattening out that you have spoken of and knew that was the reason many Catholics were leaving. We were abandoning our own sacred traditions!
Our parish recently built a new Church, replacing a stale, flattened out one and it is absolutely steeped in beauty and symbolism. It seems to me that it is now a place in space and time where we can come together as a community and direct our attention towards right worship at a cosmic, universal level, with God our creator as the source of all that is.
Thank you both for working to educate the remnant so we can finally begin to put into words what we have deeply felt for many, many years!