The Debate We All Want on Spiritual Gifts, John MacArthur vs Dr. Michael Brown, Part 2

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[crazyvoice]

That's my main thing with John MacArthur. He won't actually connect with those he disagrees with. When the apostle Paul took issue with someones theology, he confronted them whether through letter or in person. This should be the model

[lukebishop]

The Bible teaches that signs, miracles, and wonders were to testify that Jesus was who He said He was. For the apostles it testified that their testimony was true. Authority is known by its power. How can one know if Christ has absolute authority if there is no demonstration of power?

Mark 2:10
But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins...”

Often times it is the miraculous signs that the Holy Spirit performs through weak men that will allow for the heart of a man to be willing to hear the gospel that faith might come.

There are so many testimonies of people who would have never been willing to hear the gospel if it weren’t for a miracle.

My question is that if these men of old, if Jesus Himself even needed miracles to testify of the message of the cross, why not us? Have we outgrown the need for the manifestation of God’s power?

With this said let our focus be on the giver of the gifts and not the gifts themselves. They are mere tools used for the advancement of the Kingdom of God on earth. God bless.

[eduxyr]

I can 100% assure you as somebody who lives in baptist church in africa it is common seeing demons being casted out and tongues being spoken

[lonnieridgeway]

I was stopped dead in thought when he said, “if people were left in a room alone with a Bible and were fluent in speaking Greek and Hebrew, they would walk away understanding the gifts are continued and for today!” I think about the times when I’ve wavered or questioned what I believe about the gifts and it’s always when a communicator I admire tells me that the gifts of the Spirit aren’t for today. But then I read scripture and take an honest look at my own experiences and those of people who mentor me and I trust and have years of proven longevity of being a faithful follower of Christ that I shake off and keep what that communicator says that’s biblical while allowing the unbiblical teachings to fall away. Good interview!

[josephdoctor]

I believe miracles exists so does John MacArthur, many hyper charismatic fake miracles and many Cessationists neglect the holy spirit, I think there needs to be a balance and that is where I fully agree with Mike Winger and Allan Parr teachings

[shabach]

.."Baptists in Africa cast out demons..."well said. For many of us Africans the question is often not whether one has spiritual gifts, but rather the source of those gifts. Yeah, we know all about the excesses of some charismatics but you don't throw away baby with the bath water.

[Hifil]

In Africa, being exposed to so many manifestations of witchcraft can only do one thing to you: seek the power of God. We understood that only having a solid theology doesn't protect you, your family and change situations. (I've heard and witnessed some weird stuff)

[STEVENOFNORTH]

If cessationism were true, I wouldn't be a Christian today. I am a former atheist, but 11 years ago, a group of believers laid their hands on me and prayed in the name of Jesus. I immediately experienced deliverance, supernatural healing, and baptism in the Holy Spirit (all in a manner consistent with the New Testament writings). In the years since, I have witnessed the same happen for several others after I prayed for them in the name of Jesus. In light of this my take on the debate is that to deny contemporary 'acts' (for there is a multitude apart from my experiences) renders all accounts demonic or natural. The issue with this is doing so runs contrary to both the volume and nature of the evidence. While a person with no experience would be justified in applying a degree of skepticism to such claims, it doesn't stand to reason to blatantly deny them outright, given that so many Christians testify to their legitimacy. And thats without mentioning the fact that no scriptural exegesis can actually unequivolcally support the claim that the new testament indicates gifts have 'ceased'.

[laurenbailey]

One thing that confuses me about cessationism is that when you look at the gifts of the Spirit they are all super practical for carrying out ministry. Just look in Acts and you see the Spirit helping them know who to talk to, who not to talk to, where to go, where not to go, helping heal and set free, encourage and rebuke. All of these things are super powerful in helping advance the kingdom of God and to direct ministries in practical ways. To assume that God doesn't want to still do that today is very shallow thinking in my mind. Especially when we see the enemy doing supernatural things and pushing evil forward, why would God not want us to be supernaturally empowered to push back darkness?

[amcovered]

I appreciate the love, patience and fluency that Dr. Brown speaks with, you don't get the sense that he's being harsh or disrespectful and I can truly respect that. 💯

[gabegringo]

If a first Century Christian could see and hear the beliefs that are espoused in churches today, he or she would be shocked! "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power." 1 COR 2:3-5. Miracles, signs, and wonders were the norm. The idea that they ceased after the last disciple died is a theological idea added over 1500 years later. Send the fire!

[rosethao]

McArthur makes people uncomfortable because they know they are sinners. It’s not his job to make you feel good it’s to tell you the truth. And the truth is we are all born wicked and need Jesus

[misterrees]

We need crazy generation... crazy-matics, that pray crazy, worship God crazy, and that go after the devil and witches crazily!!!

[solomonnallapu]

I’m currently reading the book “Strange Fire” by John MacArthur! It’s been great so far. I like how he addresses, respects, obeys, and worships the third person of the Trinity, which is amazing! ❤ Highly recommended!

[dylanmilks]

It pains me greatly to hear guys like Chris Rosebrough says that charismatics worship a different God. It's just sad.

Certainly, the charismatic movement is guilty of a lot of sins, excess and overindulgence, which should be rightly called out, but oftentimes the cessationists behave like Pharasees.

[djhu]

Keep doing what you do bro... I don't always agree but your content is provocative and well presented.

[stephanieblenkhorn]

I really get what John says about about worship. I can be distracted by melody. I think it’s our own thought processes while we worship.
Also his conviction is ‘Christ Alone’
Good chat 🤍🤍

[Levi-rlfu]

The emphasis on sola scriptura is interesting to me coming from those who don’t think that unregenerate people are capable of believing upon hearing the gospel (without a separate regenerative act of God on their hearts). That Calvinistic thought process seems to demean the power of Scripture rather than elevating it.
I love Dr. Brown and agree this debate could be very helpful for many.

[James-mgy]

" I have not sent them, appointed them, or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolataries, and the delusions of their own minds." Jeremiah 14:14

[grandmoffporkins]

What a thoughtful, even-tempered and respectful response. Dang. More of that please.