Watch This Video Before Buying A ETA 2824 or Sellita sw200 Watch ( Winding Issue and fix 2021 !)

Yes it seems that ETA 2824/Sellita sw200 and some other 2824 copies. Basically a gear within the movement (Ratchet wheel) seems to, over time, get teeth damage due to hand winding the movement. This can end up very bad if not sorted out. In this video i show the issue and how to fix it. Sit back and have a watch :)

PS I know it's Glycine not Glycerine. Get a word stuck in my head and don't rearlise what i'm saying until it's done ;)

[masterwatch]

this is interesting. I have witnessed people being aggressive with their mechanical watch and when you consider just how delicate these things are you can sort of see how breaks can happen.

[bigtimefball]

I want to take a minute to thank you for this video. It allowed me to fix my Sellita movement on one of my favorite watches and now I have it running again. Many many thanks to you!

[Not-a-bot]

Maybe I’m confused but, by only finding one little piece of the broken teeth and being satisfied doesn’t seem logical. The other pieces shouldn’t have annihilated themselves. They are in there somewhere right ?

[yapolloable]

That is insane discovery. I looked at my hamilton khaki field and indeed the ratchet wheel is missing a couple of teeth!! Thanks for the video, good job brother.

[MiguelBricaBrac]

Just got into watch service and your instructions helped me confirm this issue in my Glycine. I was winding My glycines every day but now I know better. Thank you.

[mytuberforyou]

There are at least three teeth broken off, plus a few maimed ones. IMO this should be a full service if you only find one tooth, the others may have slipped around to the date wheel size or ready to jam the automatic works or cause other problems- like a timing issue. I can't think of a relaible way to ensure the others are not stuck in there without a disassembly and run through a watch cleaner or ultrasonic.
Also, an improperly lubricated automatic works can do this- if the rotor is trying to spin when you hand wind the watch that's a clue.

[KingPantocrator]

Same issue with a Formex Essence. I was considering replacing the whole movement but now that i know who's the culprit and how is done i might do it myself. Thanks mate

[educarmar]

I like your style and what are trying to do. Real cool channel and content. Keep nice and humble - thumbs up!!

I think you didnt solve the issue at all - you just solve the consequence of the real issue.

The real problem is at the reverser wheels not at the ratchet wheel that you replaced. This is a very well known issue. The lubrication of the reverser wheels age and they end up not disengagaging the counterweight when you wind by the crown, the ratchet wheel cannot sustain that effort and you damage its teeth as a weak link - The way I see it, the design of the movement has an in-built fuse to prevent greater damages :).

Do you want to solve the cause of the issue? just replace the 2-off reverser wheels Or alternatively, clean the old ones thoroughly and regrease them with Lubeta fluid.

Hope this is of help.

[justjyou]

A very good and informative video. And I am not a professional watch repair person by any stretch of the imagination. But as a precautionary, wouldn't it be a good recommendation, to the customer. To have the have the timepiece cleaned as well, as to remove the shard pieces of the damaged gear? To ensure that no further damage will occur to the movement in the future.

[MrZZooh]

Thanks. This is pretty helpful. My first Swiss Automatic watch was an Invicta that I still have and a bunch of the winding wheel's teeth broke off and got scattered around the movement so I sent it back to Invicta and they took my Automatic watch and locked the rotor in place and just fixed the winding and sent it back to me. So I told them that this is unacceptable and I am not supposed to have an automatic watch work like a wind-up mechanical watch. So I returned it again and they fixed the rotor too. I am gonna go easy on the winding when I pop this on from now on.

[dannyclayton]

Can you buy the rachet wheel in steel to stop this happening again?

[imaginekarma]

I have a Croton with the ETA 2834-2 movement that’s in for regular service, but I will definitely take good care of hand winding it as little as possible. I will probably keep it on a watch winder instead. I’m also picking up a used Croton with the ETA 2836-2 movement and I will be checking out if it has the broken gear problem. If not I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen.

[polycrase]

Why don't they make the ratchet gear out steel alloy?

[bifflee]

Sorry but glycerine 😂😂😂 it's a good song. Glycine is the watch brand

[MakerInMotion]

That Sellita is the same movement my Sinn 556 has. By far the most expensive watch I own. It annoys me a bit that my $1, 300 Sinn has a vulnerability that my $200 Seiko 5 doesn't have.

[kelvinx]

Thank you so much for creating this video. After watching it, I felt comfortable enough to replace the ratchet wheel on my Glycine Combat sub. The part cost $10 on ebay. I was hand-winding the watch everyday until the teeth on the ratchet wheel eventually shear off. Learn my lesson. BTW, love the way you Brits pronounce the word Glycine and Aluminum with an extra syllable. Tomato, Tomato. Potate Potatoe and then there is Glycine.

[mutant]

That is kind of a flaw, espeacially if you want or have to handwind oftentimes and consider a greater chunk of money for a watch with one of the shown movements instead of one with a NH35 inside.

[johndesmond]

This is a very common issue, and I have seen it several times. Is there a reason that the brass ratchet wheel isn't made of a stronger material?

[Craig_]

The teeth out of the ratchet wheel and clicking is a symptom of the fault. The cause is usually incorrect or thickening of lubrication of the reverser wheels. When manually winding the watch this can take up to 3x the effort to wind. The ratchet wheel was never designed to take this much torque so the teeth snap off, and sometimes windmilling can occur.
The £250 rip off is very likely to include servicing to ensure the teeth don’t get wedged under the barrel and scratch up the barrel, bridge or main plate. Also, cleaning and replacing the reverser lubricants will help prevent it happening again.

[Ioan.Nicolae]

Thanks for the advice and video!
Before replacing the ratchet wheel, it is not recommended a service for cleaning all the metal residues left by the damaged parts?
It is not a hazard to let the small metal fragments to float all over inside the watch?