Part 1 of final response to InspiringPhilosophy

#maklelan2228 @InspiringPhilosophy

[aaronsiverling]

Dan. Someone commented that you're wasting your time debating people like this. This is not a waste of time. Thank you for spending your time. And thank you for doing it with such patience and humility. You are exemplary.

P.S. I hate cliffhangers.

[tgrogan]

Telling the truth = Ad hominem for these folks.

[bradleythornock]

This exchange reminds me of working with the undergrads pulling Cs in my Intro to Logic courses. They kinda get it, enough to use the words, but really don’t grasp what they are doing. So confidently wrong it’s painful and embarrassing

[williamwatson]

If every prophecy is conditional, then there's no such thing as a prophecy. He just doesn't want to admit Jesus was wrong about returning.

[therongjr]

Logically countering an argument can only be thought of as ad hominem if the original argument was held to be central to one's identity and thus is dogmatically held.

[post]

Dogma! Dogma! Come get your dogma! Buy two, get one free!

[cajonesalt]

It's ad hominem to say it's dogmatic because they understand that being dogmatic isn't a valid form of critical inquiry, and they fashion themselves to be critical inquierers. By showing they are dogmatic you offend them, so it's very natural that they would claim you to be engaging in ad honinem (if you weren't, why would their feeling be so hurt? That sort of thing.) That being said, you did a phenomenal job handling that and staying on the task at hand. A bit snippy, but hey, who can blame you? Eventually everyone's patience runs thin when you're talking to someone who is clearly disrespecting not just you, but the process to which you've devoted your life.

[retromacman]

Dan's patience with this debate astounds me.

[AmandaTroutman]

😮🍿This is the spiciest I've seen Dan in a long time, possibly ever.

[Quack_Shot]

IP take down, first thing in the morning. Gonna be a good day.

[Nero-Caesar]

He often shares sources that refute his own point if you just read on a bit it happened in one of his resurrection videos

[xaayer]

I feel like at this point Dan's gonna have to make a new channel just to address InspiringPhilosophy. Maybe name it InspiringInspiringPhilosophy?

[BernardBerserker]

Even if the prophecy would be conditional what are the conditions? What conditions that Jesus thought could be met in the lifetime of the apostles are still not met?!

[Dainon]

IP really gives off "I know you are but what am I?" Vibes.

[aethervein]

From 2:12 to 2:31 – In a quite thick layer of irony, this actually directly points out an ad hominem fallacy on InspiringPhilosophy's part.
"That's 'fallacious' (doesn't explain why) so all of what you said on that topic must just be wrong. See? What need do I have to even respond?"

[tgrogan]

Apologists like IP take contradictory positions on any topic that threatens their dogmas. Now prophecies are "conditional" unless they say they are unconditional???? How about this??? "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Conditional????

[ironicnation]

This video featured:
27 Conditions or conditionals
11 Dogmas or dogmaticisms
10 Fallacies or names of fallacies

This has been a very long back and forth.
I know Dan won't debate Michael.
So the only next logical step is for Dan to drop a diss track on him!

[shawnlincoln]

I feel like I'm watching the faster-paced, new age version of second century polemics and I'm here for it.

[jAAbRON]

Michael reminds me of a college roommate who insisted that he was logical. When he would do something illogical, he would say, "How can my logic be illogical? That's illogical!"

[joshuapena]

Agnostic here. I love Dan, but disagree.

1. If the Jonah prophecy was not implied-conditional, what was God's purpose (in the narrative) for having Jonah tell the Ninevites judgment was coming in 40 days? Why send Jonah at all? Why rescue him from the fish? Why wait 40 days, rather than just destroying Nineveh immediately? I love Dan, but on his view, chapters 1-3 of the Jonah narrative become a jumble of supernatural action with no discernible supernatural intent. Clearly this can't be correct. Rather, the narrative is clearly implying God intended from the get-go to give the Ninevites a chance to repent.

2. But even if I'm wrong, and the Jonah prophecy really is unconditional, and depicts God changing their mind, couldn't the Christian say the same thing happened with the prophecies of Jesus? That God really was going to bring about the end of the world, but decided to delay it when the Christian church sprang up? This would create a problem for theological doctrines that God doesn't change, but it would allow them to avoid the charge that Jesus was a false prophet.