This is how the Russian SU-27 Will Fight the F-16 in Ukraine

Fighter pilot reacts to how the F-16 will fight the Su-27 in the Russia Ukraine War. Ukraine is getting the F-16 and a fighter pilot explains how the dogfight between the F-16 and Su-27 will go.

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[williamsmith]

I suspect the MiG-29 was the plane designed to counter the F-16, and F-18. The Su-27 was designed as a F-15 killer.

[schannel]

You pretty much explained the Ukrainian version of the Su-27. Russian versions like the SM, SM2/3 are upgraded.

[alexanderyaants]

Russian forces don't have SU-27 in Ukraine, they have SU-35

[House_of_Schmidt]

Russians are primarily using Su-35's for air superiority with modern fox 3's including R-77's and R-37's which outrange anything these older F-16's have. Their radar is also far more powerful. Likely Ukraine will just need to avoid being detected at all by the Russians and use the F-16 for deterrence and maybe strike support here and there. Our money would probably be better spent on artillery for Ukraine. Russians will always have air dominance in this area.

[iamfritz]

The reason Ruski Su-27s and MiG-29s carry so few rounds is because they have a dogfight mode that only fires the gun when the pipper ison a designated target. Meaning: The Flanker locks up his target with radar, holds down the gun trigger and maneuvers the bandit (an F-16) into the pipper. The gun does not fire until the pipper actually lines up on the F-16. A hit is virtually guaranteed, and rounds are not wasted. Weight is even saved by carrying fewer rounds. I believe the F-35A/B/C also has this smart firing system, as it also carries so few rounds in its gun.

[spiritofattack]

I'm an F-106 pilot from the 1960's. I wish you could have discussed the radar capabilities and ECM more. Also, I expect that anti-aircraft fire will be a serious concern over the Ukraine front lines. I doubt if a dogfight such as you describe will be common -- there are lots of SAMs which may be the primary concern -- who has the best ECM? In the 1960's, we seldom flew alone -- usually in a pair -- how would that affect the battle?

[pongo]

A lot of interesting theories: only reality will show which one will prevail. Do not forget that a few years ago (2019) an old Indian Mig 21 soviet era shot down a F16 of Pakistan Air Forces

[jetfighter]

I think long and medium range SAMs like the S-300/400 or Buks will be more of a threat to F-16s than to other fighters..and Max
completely missing that the russians using also R-77-1 and R-37...one should also not forget that the ukrainian pilots have to learn the type first and a crash course is not enough...otherwise what happened with the bradleys and leopard 2 will happen to the F16s

[julienckjm]

So it went from "this is how the Su-27 will fight against the F-16" to "this is how the F-16 will fight against the Su-27"?😅

[bill-nnvp]

One thing for sure.. the russians have always had a penchant for superior flight charcteristics.. look at the yak 3 during ww2.. the most manouveravle fighter of that time..
mig 15 same..
and su 57 they say, , is the most capable aerodynamic flight machine desingned in human history

[ChristopherSterwerf]

When I was a kid, and after watching Iron Eagle hundreds of times, I thought a multi role fighter meant that the jet could do a bunch of aileron roles. Hah!

[SandMartin]

The most likely scenario is not the F-16 against the Su-27, but the F-16 against the Su-30SM or Su-35 with thrust vector engines, Irbis-E passive electronically scanned array radar and R-37 and R-77 missles or even the MiG-31

[ivanstepanovic]

1) R-73, Russian short range Fox-2 has the range of 30-40km, depending on version. Not 20 as you stated.
2) Newer versions of R-27 Alamo have range over 100km, but that's Fox-1, so not much use there, despite the range advantage. No idea why Russians still insist on Fox-1 missiles, TBH...
3) All Su-27 in Russian active use are capable to carry R-77 which is Fox-3, which you failed to mention...
4) Su-27 has helmet mounted sight for Fox-2. So, that's a problem in close combat for the other plane that doesn't have it
Besides, Su-27 is not the only thing those 10-12 F-16s will have to face... Newer Flanker versions, MiG-31 with hypersonic Fox-3 R-37M and the range of around 400km, ground radars and SAM systems that have been proven to hit small targets like drones, cruise missiles etc... And the threat of their airfields being attacked at any point... Not looking good for them, tbh

[usuariopimba]

I have a feeling that the Russians are waiting for this, those Russian bases full of air superiority fighters in Crimea make me doubt whether it is a good idea to send any air vehicles there.

[abdulmismail]

Hi Ryan. I thought it was the MiG-29 which was developed to counter the F-16 and the Su-27 was designed to counter the F-15; not that the Su-27 won't encounter the Ukrainian F-16s.

A few points though;

1. The Russians have the R-37 Vympel hypersonic missile with a range of 200km, well out of the range of F-16 AMRAAMs (~100km) so I can't see any merges happening.

2. The Russians will have S-400s deployed on their side of the border, in Belarus and in Crimea so 400km of territory within the Ukrain/Russian border will be "no-go" areas.

3. Looking at Western engagements with Soviet/Russian aircraft where the kill ratio was really high in favour of Western aircraft isn't a real comparison because the export version of Russian aircraft are inferior to those that the Russians have.

My best guess is, the Russians know everyone is watching so they're holding back - which makes their military look amateurish, but I think they're saving their best technology in case the West becomes too adventerous.

[askrisk]

1:55 BFM. No, that means Basic Fighter-Pilot Mustache. I applaud your stash.

[GeeLove]

Another thing you said is that the SU-57’s engines you can roll, climb and yaw you can use the movable exhaust can fly the plane. Fly by wire and fly by engine. Impressive.

[richardsmith]

I've always heard that the aircraft is important, but it comes down to pilots experience

[SmedleyDouwright]

I imagine both planes will launch missiles at max range and run away.

[Aizazell]

What was your TTP SOP in the E, the strike eagle if you were delivering a payload, and were jumped by adversaries... Before delivery and After delivery????