#51 | CEO or Board - Who's Really In Control? | Idris & Leon Jala

Why are boring board meetings a good thing?

This week, we dive into the power dynamics between management and the board. Topics include:

- The distinct roles and responsibilities of the board
- How to manage upwards as management to a board
- Idris' experience in Shell Sri Lanka as a young MD proposing unpopular but necessary decisions to his board and the government
- How to navigate being both CEO and Chairman at PEMANDU Associates -- can you be judge and jury and still be accountable?
- The most boring but effective board meeting
- Best practices for building rapport between board and management

What's the biggest challenge between boards and management today? Comment below.

Dato Sri Idris Jala is a former minister (ranked by Bloomberg in 2014 as the top 10 most influential policy makers in the world) and Chairman of PEMANDU Associates and Heineken Malaysia, as well as Co-Chairman of Sunway Group.

Leon Jala is a pastor at HTBB Church where he serves as the Director of Content and Co-head of Creative. He is also a Board Member of PEMANDU Associates where serves as Interim Chair.

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[Share-profit]

This is MBA level, deserves more views and plays in all MBA classes here and abroad, hidden gems

[avtarsinghgill]

Good Aftn DS Idris & Leon. This specific episode [ EP51] is one of the most thought-provoking insights into how Company Board of Directors play a diligent & vigilant role to set the parameters so that there are no overlapping roles with CEOs of an organisation.
The learning outcomes from this podcast shows that BODs need to function independently and to raise any "Red Flags". DS is staight to the point, bold in his thoughts & always has a Strategic Mind to put things into perspective, sharing real life experiences which I believe are not commonly found in any text books. DS describes his knowledge, experiences & skills as a BOD where it looks simple but done with full commitment & responsibility.
It is hoped that lessons learned from this episode can be the guiding principles for the betterment of an organisation, defining the roles played by BODs & CEOs. A critical analysis is the way forward. Tq.

[rayavi]

The quality and the ooze of knowledge adrenaline spurns inside me. Idris’ experience over many decades must be acknowledged and recognized. This podcast is a benchmarking exercise for the dos and donts. Keep this good work going. Leon you can be the next Jala icon.

[nehemiahlee]

Dato Sri Idris, the fact that u said “ I don’t need a single cent of golden handshake if i fail to deliver as a CEO” distinguishes you from the rest of the pack of ordinary CEO’s. Salute !

[azad]

One of the best episodes of GOI! Thanks for capturing this tacit knowledge and wisdom by TSIJ for the benefit of many others

[kongyoonpin]

Well-crafted content benefits everyone—from board members to the management team and frontline employees—helping them collaborate effectively as a strong team. 👍

[ralpheyew]

Very pragmatic - game of impossible certificate . 100 percent Ownership

[NeoBelalang-xkhh]

The board definitely. Board comprises a bunch of people who, together, can always isolate & bully the CEO.

[azwarain]

Thank you for the interview. It helped me a lot in understanding how both should function.

[swteng]

Very valueable insights from the story telling and imparting good tips. Great topic!

[nkckelvin]

Thanks Leon and Tan Sri for such a informative sharing. Look forward to having similar contents.

[harvard_lee]

Thanks for the good insider tips esp conflict management and expectation gaps.

[vickykrishna]

Long way for Malaysia Organization to be super MNCs standards and mindset, but it's possible with Leaders with accountability and thriving values like DSIJ. God Bless Malaysia.

[meorezammer]

That was an excellent sharing session! Could Dato' Seri Idris be our mentor? 😁😁😁

[bluesharkmadness]

Shareholders eat Directors, Directors eat CEO, CEO eat other staff. Ultimately, shareholders can influence and do all types of shit to the company without being held liable for it most of the time.

[wk]

39:11 if chairman doesnt go into the details and only set targets, what do a NE Chairman contribute and why are they paid so much

[tayjh]

I Like the jargon of "pregnant" and "deliver" 🤣

[mervynlai]

Thank you so much!
Ive been following your podcast since the 1st and got so inspired and benefited from this tremendously!
How can I sign up as your mentee plz?

[mdmaxs]

Bjaku kosong, enti bisi highland Queen ka macathur atas mija baru dik nemu langit nyak tinggi ka rendah

[mudasir]

All mediocre GLC apointed “businessman” .. its a musical chair carousel. Idris included. They are just empty suits for the board. This podcast is full BS