Red Bull's SECRET 'T-Valve' RB20 Braking Trick?! | F1 2024

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Red Bull CAUGHT HIDING RB20 T-Valve Braking Trick!!! | F1 2024

After the final race before the summer shutdown this past Sunday morning, news has begun circulating that the fia have released their latest 2024 technical regulations for the season. And this could explain why Red Bull have lost the competitive advantage they had at the start of the season becuase they have been hiding a secret RB20 "trick" that has potentially been on the car since the start of the season.

It could also explain where their superior race pace has vanished too over the course of the season regardless of all the other teams catching up in terms of development. What do you guys think? Let me know...

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if the forces applied to the brake pads are of the same magnitude, by definition the braking torques can not be asymmetrical .. if the Red Bull sheet car was producing asymmetrical braking torques, of course the forces applied to the brake pads are NOT of the same magnitude .. and therefore it is an infringement of the rules

salsanista

I’m not sure how you can say it would have been legal. The rules say equal pressures on the brake pads. This would reduce pressure on the outside brake pads. If it was clearly legal, why would they hide it from the fia?

BitZmbie

The statement at 1:23 that it was "perfectly legal" before the update is simply incorrect. Look at your graphic from the rules at 0:06 in the video. Rule 11.1.2 already said, "The brake system must be designed so that within each circuit, the forces applied to the brake pads are the same magnitude ..." The part after that is irrelevant in this case. As you describe the system later in the video, the system at least modified the rear brake circuit so that "the forces applied to the brake pads are [NOT] the same magnitude." That was already violating the existing rule. Asymmetrical brakes like the one described with the inertial valve violate that part of the rules and were therefore illegal even before the rule update.

daveduncan

So they discovered this after the australian gp, when they had that brake problem, but how long have they been using this system. Has this been on the car since 2022?? Can Red Bull actually win anything without cheating.

beany

Aysemtric breaking is illegal ….why do you say it’s ‘ perfectly legal ‘ ?

derekreid

If this was a static setting or adjustment legal yes. If instead it was a dynamic device in function, then that is a driver's aid which is not legal.

sirxf

For those not understanding or just stappen people it was and is illegal. No matter if it is mechanically or electromechanically! The thing is you need same brake pressure to both brake caliphers and pads on the same axel at the same time/brake pedal pressure!

Bizmyurt

It would be breaking the rules even before the rule update in technical regulations it said in each ciruit the forces applied to the brake pads has to be equal and since a f1 car has 2 brake circuits front and rear if this valve change the pressure going to left and right brake pads would be different. Also in a diffrent rule any changes to the breaking system while car is on track has to be done by physical touch like change front to rear brake bias has a switch on steering wheel as its a change in breaking system while car is on track so a valve that changes the bias of breaks from left to right would be against the rules as no physical touch so no grey area it was illegal so if was on car schould be disqualified for them races and if can prove running it in 22 and 23 schould be disqualified from them years aswell

jonathoncroft

BAR Honda and the tank in a tank, Ferrari and the fuel flow/hole in the rad, Mc Laren and their "passive software " on board for starts. The list goes on of Teams are always looking for that gain and many are found in that grey area. Just like Ferrari, the RB performance seems to have suddenly disappeared .Maybe the leaders moved back towards the pack as much as they moved closer. It also shows that even with a technical "aide" Checo still couldn't stay relevant.

nicholasholmes-siedle

The explanation of the System is wrong: The inner tyre is being decelarated more to give the car support on turn in

maxistuiber

I remember, and I said it would be a shuttle valve set up as that's what we call them in the aviation world, was just logical, very basic type of yaw control like the old mitsubishi yaw control of slowing the interior wheel, boy was it fun driving with that

ZKev

I luv your perspective on this one suggestion is move your notes monitor to above your recording device , it will just bring your eyes forward for more connection to your fan base, but keep up, the great work you earned my sub

rdeh

Isn't the inside tire more prone to locking up as it is carrying less weight? Haven't there been many times VER has commented on team radio that he couldn't get the car to turn. Without going back again I know I have heard him makes such comments the last 2 races, perhaps they removed the system when they sensed the heat was on. Not unlike Ferrari a few years back.

billygoat

Grab these points using this system and when you have enough we'll introduce the rest of the rules.

planet_oith

IF RBR did do this then i would say it needs to be investigated bc the car was definitely illegal.
lets look at it from a logical stand point the teams know they are not allowed to make their cars or make a system that gives their cars asymmetrical breaking. we know this since the 3rd petal was made illegal. if we look at the original rules it says: the break system MUST BE designed so that within each circuit, the forces applied to the BREAK PADS are the SAME magnitude and ACT AS OPPOSING PAIRS on a given break disk.
Must be mean no if and's and buts, the next part is that it must be designed so the same force of pressure in applied each opposing pads
we can see this when we look at "act as OPPOSING PAIRS on a given break disk" what this is saying that the pads on the same axle must act as must act as OPPOSING PAIRS on a given break disk.

d.mat.zero

It would possibly improve the ERS as well as tyre life and rotation, assuming that they are braking and still have some rotation whilst braking the inside tyre, then I think it would be charging the ERS. It may be a limited benefit or I could be wrong about that aspect.

If others are usually braking, and then turning, they don't get that extra a system like this would, as this brake ms as it turns.

We do know the Red Bull Honda is probably the best PU, especially electrical energy wise/ deployment. It clipped noticeably less than the Merc PU's did for example. I havent noticed as bad clipping or derates for Merc recently so maybe they changed aome software/ reliability (and thus "snuck" an upgrade through that way). That would be legal as it can be a side effect of reliability still allowed (I think anyway).

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