What Did Aquinas Get Wrong? W/ Fr. Gregory Pine

As much as we'd love St. Thomas to have been perfect, as a human thinker he was subject to error in his arguments. Fr. Pine goes over where he disagrees with Thomas and the sections of the Summa that make him raise his eyebrows.

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[eoinginty]

Fr. Ryan Erlenbush makes a compelling case that St. Thomas did in fact believe in the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. He wrote a great article on his blog "New Theological Movement" about this topic. He states that St. Thomas had three stages of thought on this matter. The first stage was to be found in his commentary on Peter Lombard's Sentences where St. Thomas affirmed the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. The third stage was to be found near his death in his commentary on the Angelic Salutation where he again affirmed the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. The second stage which was to be found in his most famous work, the Summa. Fr. Ryan states that the only reason that St. Thomas held the position that he does in the Summa was because of a mistaken understanding of the process of generation and the formation of the child in the womb (namely that the body was conceived before the soul). Fr. Ryan also provides citations for his argument that St. Thomas did in fact accept the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception on more occasions than rejecting it.

[carledwardvincent]

Regarding the six days of creation:
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL:
"God [...] creator of all visible and invisible things of the spiritual and of the corporal who by his own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing, spiritual and corporal namely angelic and mundane and finally the human, constituted as it were, alike of the spirit and the body."

[diggingshovelle]

Animals do not benefit from the beatific vision

[soulthompson]

I wouldn't stick my neck out on the notion we have (being science) has a complete understanding of "Time" today as well

[allanweilert]

“Wrong for the right reasons” is still wrong. Even though St.Thomas is a Doctor of the Church, he was still a human being subject to error and sin. Thank God for the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception!

[tabitha]

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Despite us thinking we are wiser than the saints that came before us, I think it's safe to say that our egos may be to blame for our overconfidence in our own understanding. Possibly caused by a society that systematically pats our ancestors on the head for their so-called ignorance and naiveté. God knows far more than we can imagine, and grants that knowledge to the saints in His own perfect measure.
May God humble us all (especially me) enough to make us truly wise, like His saints.

[carledwardvincent]

Regarding the six days of creation:
"We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep."
- Leo XII, Arcanum Divinae Sapientiae (1880)

[Thebusysuperhuman]

St Thomas was right about enough for me to still be a big fan. As somebody else said he was just a human. I’m a scientist and we get things wrong frequently.
I actually really like St Thomas take and ideas on angels regardless of how far fetched it seems, what do I know?

I was listening to an audio book on St Thomas earlier and said a prayer to him
Then this video “came up” on YouTube, like it does, so I’m far more disturbed by that things which St Thomas said which may or may not be right. His intentions were good.
Not so sure about the intentions of Google / YouTube
But I like the idea of this channel, so you’ve got a sub

[rileypare]

Thomistic biology, physics—is universally considered bad. And by “physics” I don’t mean the Aristotelian kind—such as the proper categorical distinctions of cause, or matter, etc.

[TheUltimateMarioFan]

Acquinas is right about meat causing increased wet dreams. I've had friends and YouTubers who mention that meat is a huge catalyst for that in some people.

[djfan]

Matt, I am just curious. You are obviously a big fan of Aquinas. My question is being that you are a Byzantine Catholic, you venerate Eastern Orthodox Saint, Saint Gregory Palamas every second Sunday of Great Lent. Aquinas taught Absolute Divine Simplicity and Palamas taught the Essence-Energy distinction. How do you reconcile the two? Is Blessed Duns Scotus and the Formal Distinction your solution? Thanks.

[takmaps]

Animals can go to heaven I think. Think about it before sin Animals in the garden of Eden didn't feed on each other. The garden had enough sustainance already. This shows at least that they too had the souls to be affected by the effects of sin. The bible study of this is quite long so I couldn't possibly explain it fully here as I actually forgot the passages.

[kyleelsbernd]

Augustine had it tight. Aquinas represented a definite turn to scientist which eventually led to atheism

[Ceylin_Kurtbogan]

I am not a Catholic anymore as I find much problematic in its theology and practice. One thing that disturbs me the most is the fact that Catholics tend to dogmatize the theology and theological views of many of its saints or members or worse treating marian apparations as public revelations being endorsed even by its claimed to be supreme over all men patriarch

[ivanpoljic]

Aquinus is right ! Eating meat definetly leads to hightened level of desire for some more meat !

[fojedaquintana]

What did Saint Thomas say about holiness of the lay people?

[mmnaddaf]

His theology of Christ's body in the tomb is wrong

[stevedoetsch]

Seems stuck on judging a philosophy on whether it feels right according to modern feelz.

[dominicpresta]

I go with Saint Thomas Aquinas not only because he’s a doctor the church Because the Lord himself told him that he wrote well of Him and even Saint Thomas Aquinas College out of a straw compared to what he has seen it Heaven!!!...Let’s not get carried away with 21st-century or 12th century the first century God is was and always will be the same throughout the centuries

[ochem]

As a man with a degree is science, there is no evidence for evolution, and it violates God principal of efficiency; God creates in as many days as He chooses. He chose six. 🔥 ♥️