So this was just a complete waste?

Star Wars Rebels featured the Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruiser... but only in one scene. We'll discuss the implications of this and more in today's Star Wars video!

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[andrewbryant]

Having a slave circuit that can cause an entire 200 ship fleet to jump to hyperspace simultaneously is a hilariously bad decision.

[TheWarmachine]

Star Wars Empire At War is pure unadulterated awesomeness.

[eds]

The E-Wing.
A state of the art frontline starfighter attack ship. Which were made iconic in early Legends EU. They were introduced into canon for Ahsoka, only to be used for a ground traffic policing action which they are obviously ill-suited for, and quickly give up the chase, never to be seen or heard of again.
Why?

[SkepticalChris]

I'm glad the Dreadnaught finally made an on screen apperance....

but the REAL ship I'm STILL WAITING for, is the VICTORY-CLASS star destroyer which has YET to make a canon appearance!

[sunlightcosmos]

I honestly love the ship. Its lore across several factions and long storied history makes it one of my favorite frigates/cruisers. It would make a good base for a rebel cell.

[DisFantasy]

I didn't care for the portrayal of the TIE Defender either. It's a space superiority fighter. It should be insanely fast and maneuverable. It should eat X-Wings for breakfast. Yet Rebels insisted on portraying it as a hardy brick like it was a B-Wing or something.

[imperialadvisor]

At West End Games we had the Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser follow the same lines as the Carrack Class Light Cruiser, in the same vein the Victory Class and Interdictor Class followed the Imperial Class lines and silhouettes.

[Catsushika]

From what i remember, the Anikan solo's turbolaser's extended range is mentioned directly in the book, and that moon had it coming

[jakert]

Honestly, it's surprising that they didn't put that Rebels model (cartoon style and all) in the background of the galactic fleet in RoS.

[highlandoutsider]

Has some serious Battlestar Galactica vibes 🔥

[MRDLT]

3:59 I’ve got you’re answer; Filoni, the writers, and creators at Disney are all hacks who just jangle keys in front of fans with Legends stuff and then move on when they have your undivided attention. 😅😂

[Cobra]

I don't know why but Star Wars: Rebels seemed to have quite a few characters, ships and other elements that had me thinking, "Was that a complete waste?" and kept me from liking it as much as Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

There were the Dreadnoughts as you discussed in the video, but there was also:

B-Wings: The Rebels got their hands on a B-Wing prototype. Not only was this years before A New Hope, but the PROTOTYPE had a super laser that gave Hera the ability to destroy entire Star Destroyers. The B-Wing subsequently disappeared from the show, and this game-changing ability was never seen again in other expanded materials (as far as I know) or in Return of the Jedi.

TIE Defender: It was a fan-favorite ship from the Expanded Universe, and once again is appearing years before A New Hope. And yet, instead of being a heavily-armed killer piloted by the best of the best (or most suicidal/lucky) pilots in the Imperial Navy, the TIE Defender ended up coming and going without having any impact on the Galactic Civil War, let alone on a single Rebel cell operating on a backwater planet.

Thrawn: Thrawn was another fan favorite character, and even though he had a few small wins, he ultimately got hyperspace-whaled into the Unknown Regions. Obviously "Ahsoka" came along many (many) years later and revealed Thrawn's ultimate fate, but Thrawn, the greatest military mind in the Empire, failed to stop a single Rebel cell on a backwater planet, and played little to no part in the Galactic Civil War. At least the Expanded Universe established that Thrawn was busy dealing with things during the events of the movies, and basically took over in the "Heir to the Empire" novels because there was no one left who was capable of running the Empire.

Bendu: Neither Light or Dark, we see an alien species we've never seen before with powers unlike anything we'd seen (at least in the Disney continue) up to that point, and even though he promotes himself as "the one in the middle" instead of aligning with Light or Dark, and he basically comes and goes. He doesn't inspire any characters or events, and Kanan basically just calls him out for not taking a stand. His name is also a reference to some of George Lucas' earliest notes on the Force and the Jedi (Jedi-Bendu), which makes it weird that the character proves to be totally inconsequential.

The World Between Worlds: So we have a secret Jedi temple on Lothal, and this temple has a way to access a dimension that allows you to change time itself, and yet it was basically pointless except for being used to save Ahsoka (and then appearing in "Ahsoka" many, many years later). How the hell could the Jedi have forgotten they had the ability to access this realm at the temple? And if they didn't forget, how did not one Jedi decide to never use the Space Between Spaces to stop Order 66, or the Clone Wars, or Emperor Palpatine? Not one Jedi was tempted to try that, really? And if the Emperor got word that it was there, why the hell did he only send one assassin to take a look? Why not send a fleet and just secure the temple and everything around it for miles? Just treat it like the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone or something, or just remove the planet's population - this is an evil empire, and Palpatine believes he has the possibility to control time and space. Even after the temple collapses and is seemingly destroyed, why doesn't the Empire go there and try excavating it? Instead, Palpatine apparently moved on and never once tried to go back to revisit this possibility. That, to me, was probably the worst example I remember from Rebels.

Mandalore: I did somewhat enjoy Sabine's story arc, but it seems weird that the Mandalorian clans were essentially united against the Empire, and yet we never see a single Mandalorian serving with the Rebels in the films. I know the show came years after the Original Trilogy, but why make a single planet/society so important to the early Rebellion, when there's no way for you to retroactively add them to the movies.

There were probably other things that I forgot, but I remember Rebels seemed to introduce so many things that would not only be extremely important, but potentially war-winning for either the Empire or Rebellion, especially considering the show was set during the relatively early years of the Galactic Civil War and the Rebellion, and yet none of these things mattered.

I don't know how Filoni and crew went from the story arcs we saw in The Clone Wars to these recurring issues with Rebels. I know Rebels supposedly had a smaller animation budget than The Clone Wars, but I don't know if that would have a significant impact on the stories themselves.

[theguywiththegoatee]

I got into the EU when I was about 8 years old with the Thrawn Trilogy. Then when Clone Wars started (10 years old) I was so unbelievably hyped as the show went on and got more mature because I thought there was a real, serious chance that they could make an episode about the origin of the Katana Fleet. Gathering the ships, setting up the remote control system (there's no way they could call it Slave Circuits), and it's ultimate disappearance. I'm still slightly bummed that never happened

[truetorkerproductions]

For the shields question the clone wars answered it, and one of the legends books. The one we're Luke first has an interaction with Mara when she tosses her blaster to him.

Ships would divert power away from the areas they were firing from, hence the forward and rear shielding and they couldn't be full strength at same time. Thrawn used dreadnoughts as shields todo so without having to power them up and down to then unleash flurry's of attacks.

We see some of this in clones wars, like when Anakin set Rex and clones on asteroids to ambush grievous fleet. Grievous had moved all shielding power to from deflectors to push through the asteroid field and couldn't transfer them back fast enough or power them off to attack. And Ray shields blocked everything including physical objects, Anakin shot the generators to land on invisible hand, but ships didn't use those for outside defense and that's why things flew through unless energy based.

[BerraRazuke]

I like how the captions say dreadnot and dreadnut.

[DarkVaati]

#AskEck What are your thoughts on the Tapani Sector? I think it's interesting how they have this whole deep culture, but the only planet that gets any focus is Fondor. They have historic ties to the Jedi and Sith so they have bootleg lightsabers and they have their own gaudy (and questionably useful) capital ships.

[lyndonbaltazar]

Wait, I can be relevant! The Mon Mothma demonstrated it's interdiction tech in Star by Star, so a little before the Dark Nest Crisis.

[Jo_Mama]

#AskEck what happened to the inquisitorious after rebels and why didn’t Palpatine ever rebuild it? Might have been useful to catch Luke and other Jedi after Rebels

[ScottB]

When I was running the Fantasy Flight Games (now Edge Studio) Star Wars RPG I ran into the problem of what happens to a ship that jumps into hyperspace too close to a planet. I gave a guaranteed damage value to my players that their ship would suffer depending on how close they were to the planet. I justified it saying that the ship would be tearing itself apart between the gravity of the planet and the pull (or equal and opposite gravity) of hyperspace.

[gamerillenium]

We see one of its modified counterparts, The Twin Blade Frigate, in Force Unleashed II during the Space Battle Of Kamino. This ship is pretty much if every piece of Star Wars Material except the big cannon screen*^