Will America Collapse Like Austro-Hungary?

There has long been speculation as to if the United States will collapse, and while many have compared the fall or collapse of America to the fall of the Roman Empire, there may be additional similarities between the troubles facing the United States and those same troubles which faced the Austrian Empire and later Austro-Hungary in the lead up to its own collapse. The geopolitical circumstances and domestic troubles of Austria Hungary could offer a prediction for the future of what could happen to the United States if it does not change course, and solve its problems before they grow into a larger crisis. Is America the new Austro-Hungary? Will America collapse like Austro-Hungary?

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[Awww]

"The United States of America were neither united, nor states, nor American."
- a future historian

[lmvr]

Circumstances are extremely different, Many minorities didn’t even speak German, the mother tongue. USA also doesn’t have another power overshadowing it, such as A-H did, restricting her power and influence over minorities. Minorities in the A-H also refused to assimilate due to a history of subjugation, all of this is the opposite in the US. The children of migrants (or grandchildren) tend to assimilate and mix with the majority population, and the majority of immigrants speak English. It is also in no immigrant’s interest to have a Balkanized America, since their main purpose of coming here would be defeated ( freedom and a better life)

[TroyPacelli]

Everyone thinking about Rome should also give some consideration to Austro-Hungary. If you wish to predict the future, know the past.

[adamperdue]

While the US is technically very diverse, most people have very little loyalty to their home country outside of more superficial characteristics. I'm a 3rd generation Scottish immigrant, in a region whose ethnic background is predominantly described as "Scotch-Irish", but if the people around me asked if I wanted to join their breakaway Scottish ethnostate, I'd laugh in their face. People care more about race than they do ethnicity in the US, and even then outside of a few far-right (and far-left) fringe groups, most people don't want to join a racial ethnostate either. If there was going to be a collapse of the US, I imagine it'd go down more along political/cultural/regional lines rather than ethnic/racial lines, similar to the ACW.

[reall]

I see the U.S. much more like the Roman or Ottoman Empires, both extremely powerful civilizations of their time, but both fell to corruption and failure to adapt similar to what the US is going through now.

[davidmccarroll]

Keep in mind austro hungary did have the entente behind its breakup and it gave rise to two multi ethnic countries Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.

[Cool-]

My grandmother's family were Austrian Germans (not to sure since records aren't great) that resided in Hungarian Transylvania before fleeing to Germany when various conflicts occurred against local populations of Germans and other minorities by Hungarian and Romanian groups. After that they lived somewhere in Eastern Germany, where they later had to flee again to the allied lines to avoid Soviet brutality, before eventually my grandmother was able to go to the UK on a religious sponsorship to nursing school, where she then went from to America, and then worked to bring her family over. Its crazy to think how small decisions like that can affect things like this.

[joosepher]

This is an exactly question, though I would like to bring up an even more dire one than this. What if Austria-Hungary was made of chocolate?

[eksbocks]

3:05
Not just America either. A lot of companies from Japan and Europe went to China too. Because they wanted to cheap-out on paying workers.

And we see how it affected them too. In contrast to sharing the economy. Like what we did during the Cold War.

(Made in Japan/West Germany/ etc.)

[SethSinclair]

We’re Americans, simple, so tired of European politics sticking their claws on us

[corona]

I have often thought about this as well. With the way things are transpiring around the world, the United States of America, if not, the entire United Nations is becoming a powder keg like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Too many different problems, not enough fixing. It's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down.

Two alternate history scenarios I would like for you to cover are:
1. What if the Borghese Coup succeeded in 1970?
2. What if the Japanese Mishima coup attempt in 1970 succeeded?

Either separate or concurrent with one another, I'll leave that up to you.

[valeriodelaurentiis]

Fun fact: the Austro-Hungarian empire was actually mostly stable after the dual monarchy, it fell because of the great war

[dominicadrean]

What if the Ottomans collapsed in the 1830s and what if the Russians never helped the austrians with the Hungarian Rebellion with both those Empires gone how would that affect the power of Europe

[danielsantiagourtado]

Love your content Z! Please do a timeline where Rudolf of Austria survives and succeeds his father

[HairyLib]

In short no. The ethnic, religious and cultural differences and divisions within the Austro-Hungarian Empire were vast compared to the USA. Also it didn't enjoy the same geopolitical advantages as the USA does. Basically, the internal and external pressures on the Empire were vast throughout its history. It's sort of a minor miracle it existed for as long as it did.

[ravenouself]

Please don't insult Austria-Hungary by comparing it to the USA.

[Halcon_Sierreno]

Austria had regional identities that developed for hundreds of years. The U.S got colonized quickly by foreign peoples. There really is no comparing the two.

[solarflare]

It really wasn’t democracy that the United states was fighting for. It was capitalism. The US actually overthrew several democracies after they elected communist sympathizers such as in Nicaragua. The US also supported many dictatorships such as South Korea and Taiwan (they aren’t anymore but the US still supported them when they were dictatorships)

[EvanE]

It wouldn’t be ethnic divide like Austria, but it would be a division of suburbs vs cities, but I totally see the connection between the two

[manwiththeredface]

Hungarian here. Before I watch the video:
As far as I know the language barrier is not there in the US to the same level it was in Austria-Hungary. Also the US isn't surrounded by other great powers from all sides so the only enemy that could be lethal to it will be domestic. We can kind of say A-H had its own civil war when we Hungarians (with a number of Croats, Poles etc.) rose up against the Habsburgs in 1848-49. And by 1914 the A-H arny was lead by incompetent bofoons so I think you guys can relate to that too.
The main difference however is that Austria and Hungary should have never even become one country, we had no business belonging together. Just like Yugoslavia, many countries just can't work together in the long run even within a monarchy, letalone a democracy.
But I can give you another modern day country that is on the Austria-Hungary route: the United Kingdom. Same obsession with the royalty and with the past in general instead of looking at the future. Same contentious relationship with Scots for example or the Northern Irish as Vienna had with us. And also filled with incompetent and crooked political figures.