Octavian and Antony: the Monsters - Post-Caesar Civil Wars DOCUMENTARY

Script: Peter Voller
Animation: Murat Can Yağbasan
Illustration: Yağız Bozan

Sources:
Appian ‘The Civil Wars’ 3.88-98 & 4.1-53
Cassius Dio ‘Roman History’ 46.39-47.19
Plutarch Life of: ‘Cicero’, ‘Antony’ and ‘Brutus’
Paterculus, ‘The Roman History’ 2.64-70
Florus ‘Epitome of Roman History’ 2.6
Gowing, A. M. (1992). Lepidus, the Proscriptions and the “Laudatio Turiae.” Historia: Zeitschrift Für Alte Geschichte, 41(3), 283–296
Ridley, R. T. (2000). The Dictator’s Mistake: Caesar’s Escape from Sulla. Historia: Zeitschrift Für Alte Geschichte, 49(2), 211–229.
Sumi, G. S. (2005). The Performance of Politics in the Triumviral Period: Opposition and Consolidation. In Ceremony and Power: Performing Politics in Rome between Republic and Empire (pp. 186–219). University of Michigan Press.
Hopwood, B. (2015). ‘Hortensia Speaks: An Authentic Voice of resistance’ In K. Welch (Ed.), Appian’s Roman History: Empire and Civil War (pp. 305–322). Classical Press of Wales.
Lange, C. H. (2014). The logic of violence in Roman civil war. Hermathena, 196/197, 69–98.


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[jaohonaxa]

As they pointed out earlier in the series it's ironic that the liberators thought killing Caesar would solve all their problems, and here we see Octavian being worse for them than Caesar ever was. Obviously we'll never know for sure if Caesar wouldn't have gone down this road eventually, but all the signs show they would have had an easier time of working with him than Octavian and Antony.

[lisboah]

This part of Roman history shows just how ironic fate is sometimes.

The Senate has no one but themselves to blame for the downfall of the Republic. Their paranoia, jealousy and plotting led to the creation of two Triumvirates and the eventual rise of Octavian, the adopted son of the same Caesar that they feared wanted to become Emperor, as Emperor.

[princepscivitatis]

*"If you want a rainbow, you have to first deal with the rain."*
— Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus

[petervoller]

Hey all, I was the writer and historian for this episode, if you've got any questions/feedback, feel free to leave them below and I'll do my best to get around to them!

[jurtra]

"My father died on this floor. Right there. Stabbed 27 times, butchered by men he called his friends. Who will tell me that is not murder? Who will tell my legions, who love Caesar as I do, that that is not murder?! Who will speak against the motion?"

[makinapacal]

Thank you for not sugar coating these events. It is often forgotten that the death of the Roman Republic and the birth of the Roman Empire was accompanied by reigns of terror and blood bathes, complete with death squads, a pattern that was to be repeated later in the history of the Empire and that Augustus, probably the greatest of the Emperors started out has a terrorist Dictator.

[AKAZA-kqjd]

In definition both Mark Antony and Octavian are warlords that being said if look beyond the 2nd triumvirate all the way to Actium in 31BC You'll find who worthy of the long term and who's worthy for the short term.

[Martijn_Steinpatz]

The reason why Cicero offered his neck is because it was the tradition for a beaten gladiator to do so. Cicero apparently admired this gesture.

You might also say that it was his last symbolic gesture considering the murderous game which Roman politics had become.

[saedmohamud]

It's amazing how his slaves did everything to protect Cicero while his country men betrayed him. He must have treated his slaves good for them to hide him and protect him.

Anyway amazing piece history I enjoyed listening to Saturday afternoon.

[ScorpoYT]

the events of this video made game of thrones look like a kids tv-show

[randomuser]

That speech of Paterculus... Damn. Even I got emotional. Great job Kings and Generals. I will catch you on the next one.

[emperornapoleon]

This whole series is exceptional! I look forward to the next episode!

[nothisispatrick]

Poor Lepidus not even included in the Videos Title, well he atleast showed up in the thumbnail!

[canadian__ninja]

It's always a good day when Kings and Generals uploads, doubly so when it's a Roman era episode.

[demonblood]

Sulla = Proscriptions and not murdered.
Octavian = Proscriptions and not murdered.
Caesar = no Proscriptions and was murdered.
Yes there is more it but kinda funny as this is not what one would expect

[kesorangutan]

I heard about proscriptions before but damn... I imagined them less chaotic for some reason. This is basically the "purge" movie series.

[Stabi]

If you haven't watched the 2 season TV-series Rome (2005), I fully recommend it.
It features Julius Caesar in season 1 & Octavian and co. in season 2.
It's freakin' awesome if you're interested in the Roman era!

[rabcoyle]

Amazing. Talk about history repeating itself in such a short time. It’s as though Cesar himself had borrowed Octavians body and try to clear unfinished business. Can’t wait for the second part. 👍

[ulfeliasson]

Ah, some Roman action again. Thank you. A highlight of my day for sure.

[wtgardner]

As a huge fan of history, I have been looking forward to each episode. So many documentaries just give main points without going into detail. The single greatest thing about K&Gs is that they are all about the details. I absolutely love your episodes. This one and War in the Pacific just show how amazingly detailed you are in covering the events. Huge thanks for going the extra mile and showing history in its most true fashion.