New Build Home Nightmares That CAN be Avoided

Roger looks at Eco Joists and the micro cracking defect with flooring and ceiling construction when floors are walked across causing plasterboard ceiling cracks and creaks below.

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[parsnips]

I've no idea why I'm watching a video about joists, but it was genuinely interesting.

[frankmckie]

We're lucky to have shows like skill builder, buying a house is probably going to be the biggest expensive thing you do. so here you've got a knowledge builder giving you honest advice what to watch for the tools if you like and why good builders aren't cheap and cheap builders aren't good. Keep it up Rodger and team 👍

[habsom]

Fascinating, I could listen to this guy all day! Didn't even know these new approaches and systems existed. Don't think a lot of these modern houses are going to last more than 50 years without regular remedial intervention.

[lenny]

Roger is a legend proper traditional tradesman. Reminds me of the gent I served my time under.

[isaaccowan]

Great explanation. "Punch out" is always a pain, but I guess it could be done right in the first place. I am an old guy who stopped building houses right before the "OSB craze" (no, I didn't stop working, just on to cabinets and furniture). They wrapped everything in OSB, floored and decked everything in OSB, built joists and rafters with OSB, but no one seemed to pay attention to what happens to OSB when the glue ages and it gets wet (like roof leaks, condensation, plumbing leaks). I'd hate to be a roofer in about five more years. This new rafter and joist system looks much better (yes, there are some extra steps, but back when I built, there were extra steps (admittedly not always done) for a quality build. Yes, screws over nails, but I am a cabinet maker. Also, from experience with cabinet building, glues do age, and sometimes promise more than they deliver.

[manayconstruction]

Snagged a new build town house for a friend of mine, there is a 20mm bow in the first floor hallway, between the front bedroom door, and the rear bedroom door, a distance of only 1900mm.
The 2 floor airing cupboard prior to floor coverings, had a gap under the door big enough to get my hand under on the handle side of the door, but not large enough to get my fingers under on the hinge side of the door. The skirting on the whole of the ground floor is partially buried in self levelling screed, that was done at least 3 times before the lvt could be installed. Give me a 1930's or a victorian house to work on any day, walls that you can usually drill a hole in, install a wallplug and fix items to....ahhh bliss.

[lloydus]

Bloody hell I work for Cura Homcare and I'm in my way to fix some sqeeky floors.
Love the videos. 👍

[fushammer]

I remember some years ago when Barratts got slaughtered because their highly expensive new builds were rotting from the inside out. It was found that they were storing timber and other materials outside for months at a time then installing it when it was still wet through. That got them a real bad reputation at the time but of course most of these property development companies around now are just cowboys. Build it cheap and charge a fortune.

[garyevans]

Here in Canada this problem was solved with engineered I joist over 20 years ago.
If you want to have really tight floors....wait till after the heat has been on and the gyproc board applied with all that then screw the T&G plywood down to the joist

[davidbrewer]

Interesting development, kind of like engineered roof trusses as we use here in Canada, these do not flex in the vertical direction even under significant snow load which must be built in by code here because we might get several tons of snow on a fairly small roof. I like LVLs but you have to add PL Premium adhesive along the top as you lay the T&G floor deck on them along with lots of screws. Code here tells you that you cannot make a bunch of holes in the web too close together. For example, the sewer line must hang from below, not through the web. As a rule, the biggest hole is 1" & they must be at least 12" apart to maintain the integrity of the web. They work, we used them at 12" spacing with PL premium & screws through the deck to rebuild my home after a fire in 2017 & the floor is rock solid...no bounce. Another thing which should be done is X braces between joists every 8 feet. These braces transfer the load from the top to the adjacent bottom of the LVL in a cross formation.

[jonnyhifi]

Terrific ! Resonates with robin clevets video about laying t&g flooring in his outside garden room project.

[ZicoTheMysticalWarrior]

This could explain why the en-suite & bedroom in a show home (what are the others like!) we looked at had a floor that made us feel like we were at sea. Bodgit and scarper springs to mind!

[Crushwokery]

G'day Roger,
I love your rants because they are informative and stuffed full of that rare commodity COMMON SENSE.
However, if I have a leaky pipe or I need an extra socket or light fitting I'm used to lifting a floor board or two so I can get the job done.
With all this glue fortified chipboard how the hell is anyone supposed to do any maintenance❓Seems to me you have two choices, cut large holes in chippy panels and then have to brace boards with noggins and screw back in the bit you just hacked out or if it's a bigger job then pull the ceiling down 🤪😭😡🤬 which frankly pisses me off.
Seems to me the price people are having to pay for these toy town houses equates to the national debt of some small countries and aren't getting value for money at the cost of keeping shareholders happy.
As a cranky 61 year old I really enjoy your rants and relate to them wholeheartedly 😉
Anyhoo, keep well and stay happy kiddo 👍👌

[paulkelly]

When you talk your experience just shows, your very diplomatic in how you say certain words, lol

[rossmcleod]

The Bob Ross of building trades! Love yer work Roger, learning heaps for my forthcoming reno.

[tomtresco]

I`m 70 and have been out the game for quite a few tears now, cant imagine the cuts these "carpenters" make to get home early, and in the grand scheme of things its not a lot of extra time,

I was taught by a Master Joiner, if I made a Sliding box frame or similar and it was a 16th of an inch (1.5) mm out of square he went Ape shit,
Omg how self Pride has diminished, that is why new builds have so many problems

[thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

This vids are more addictive than anything Netflix has to offer. Delightful chap.

[amazing]

One of the biggest problems on all these new builds is tradesmen work on a pricework basis and just rush all the time, along with the fact developers and site agents wouldn't purchase certain materials that all these manufacturers say should be used.

[craigfourie]

Another interesting and quality gaggle of info. Roger, you should have been a professor!

[mattmanning]

Great video, you need to do one on architects drawings and how bad they are on small builds.