God: The Greatest Aborter | A Reaction To InspiringPhilosophy On Abortion

Today's video is a reaction to two recent videos from @InspiringPhilosophy on the topic of abortion and god's stance on abortion. Michael tries to use the virtue ethics and vagueness of the new testament to get us a god that protects life. But God is quite clear on his stance on abortion and the lives of the young. Let's examine Michael's argument as well as what the bible really has to say about abortion.

@InspiringPhilosophy 's Two Videos On Abortion

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Chapters
0:00 Preview
0:41 Intro/Overview
1:49 Today's Video
2:04 InspiringPhilosophy's First Video On Abortion
2:33 Initial Reaction To Clip 1
2:37 Translation Issues
3:16 Numbers 5:11-31 Breakdown
4:59 Final Thoughts On Clip 1
5:25 InspiringPhilosophy's Second Video On Abortion - Clip 1
5:35 Individual Verses 
6:01 The Bible Does Not Outlaw Abortion
7:04 One Verse In The Christian's Favor
7:25 Clip 2
7:55 Virtue Ethics And Morality Discussion
10:00 Clip 3
10:13 Critiquing How InspiringPhilosophy Is Making His Argument
11:55 Using The Bible Itself To See How God Feels About Abortion
11:59 God Flooding The Entire Earth
12:07 God Killing Everyone In Sodom and Gomorrah
12:38 God Killing All Firstborn Egyptians
13:45 Quick Sidenote On Dan Barker's Book
15:12 Isaiah 13:11-18
15:28 Comment On Verse
16:46 1 Samuel 15:2-3
16:58 1 Samuel 22:19
17:07 Lamentations 4:4
17:17 Comment On Verse
18:10 Nahum 3:10
18:27 Hosea 13:16
18:40 Comment On Verse
18:57 Numbers 31:17
19:05 Tangent On Sex Slaves
20:13 Deut. 28:53
20:26 Jeremiah 19:3-9
20:42 Comment On Verse
21:19 2 Kings 2:23-24
21:34 Hosea 9:11-16
22:08 Ezekiel 9:4-6
22:15 Leviticus 26:21-22
22:25 2 Samuel 12:13-18
22:36 BUT that's the old testament
23:18 Stop With The Excuses
24:41 The Bible Should Not Be Your Case For Or Against Abortion
24:40 Final Thoughts

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[VioletWonders]

I swear, every video of yours that I watch leaves me shaking my head in disbelief that I've known this for so long and never saw it for what it really is. I still have a ways to go before I can totally let go... but I'm trying. And you're helping. Thanks again.

[EzraCandelaria]

Brandon, I am a young atheist stranded in the middle of the good ol' flyover states. You have helped me format some of my thoughts, and helped me cope with my surroundings. You are an amazing person, and you help young people like me every day. Thank you

[ingecxaH]

To be honest, all these verses you had recited in this video made me cry a lot. If anyone had decided to live today by the word of bible, letter by letter, we would have considered them as a frantic psychopath. I don't know what the ancient Israelites or any other people of the past used to think, but in our day and age, killing babies and pregnant women is utterly inhumane.

[sorryifoldcomment]

3:50 In case anyone is wondering, pregnancy was considered to be a 5th limb of the mother, that's why "thigh" was used.

In no way was an embryo or even a later stage fetus considered to be a living human...which makes total sense when you think about what information and beliefs the men who wrote the Bible had back then.


*First:* They believed in the "breath of life" back then. Living required access to the supernatural force carried in the air. It makes sense when you think about it...not only do we need to breathe in order to live and die without access to oxygen, but we stop breathing when we die. It's the most observable symptom of death. (The only other observable symptom that distinguishes between sleep & death is a pulse, but maintaining access to flowing blood via a pumping heart is not observable - unlike maintaining access to flowing air via working lungs.)

So, there was this idea that, instead of air carrying oxygen molecules, air carried some kind of life force. And, instead of breathing air being a symptom of life, being alive was a symptom of breathing this magical air.


*Second:* They had no access to any information about what was happening during a pregnancy, inside the womb. Their only observable experience of pregnancy would be putting their hand on the belly and feeling a kick...from a leg.

Eventually the mother would go into labor and a baby would come out. A live birth would mean the baby breathes. A stillbirth would mean observing the baby never breathing and never "coming alive."

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Obviously, you can't get the breath of life when you're in the womb _(and they had no idea molecules of "air" were being delivered into the fetus via blood through the umbilical cord)._ This would be supported by the observation of stillbirths, including observing pregnancies that involved kicking ending in stillbirths.

Today, thanks to modern technology & science, we know that a pregnancy ending in a stillbirth was stillborn before labor began. But back then they had absolutely zero access to any information about what was going on before birth, besides the belly growing big and the kicking. Of course, pregnancies that involved kicking could still end in a stillbirth. I mean, it's still true today: Being able to feel a kick from the belly doesn't automatically guarantee the mother will ultimately give birth to a healthy living baby. Something could go wrong with development before labor or during labor, which could still be months away...or, something could already be wrong, the fetus could already be developing in a way that makes survival outside of the womb impossible, but while on the womb's "life support" its legs are still able to produce a detectable kick.

So there was no certain proof of life until the baby came out and started crying - aka began to breathe. If a baby came out but it never breathed, it was dead. If it breathed, it came alive. Even if they recognized that there was obviously some kind of empty space in between the womb and the outside, and believed there was nothing in the way stopping the fetus from breathing (air which could travel up the vaginal canal)...it would be obvious that the baby didn't start using its lungs until it was on the outside. And again, stillbirths would be observed all the time...if even normal looking fully developed pre-labor babies could access the breath of life from inside the womb via the vaginal canal, then why would they often come out dead and never breathe?

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It's so easy to take for granted all the information we have today.

I think it's also worth reminding people that a pregnancy needs to develop for awhile before a miscarriage results in the ejection of a recognizable fetus. If a miscarriage results in just blood and/or blood clots...why would people back then assume that an ultrasound would have shown something besides clots of blood inside the belly? If a baby comes out, it makes sense to believe there was a similar looking baby inside the belly. If inanimate bloody matter comes out, then it also makes sense to believe there was nothing but inanimate bloody matter inside the belly.

The idea that inducing a miscarriage which only produces blood is equivalent to violently *murdering* a living human infant...is an insane leap. Add on the belief in a necessary breath of life, and murder could not even be a possible consideration. _(I mean, even those who today insist all abortion is murder don't pretend that there was a breathing fetus which only turned into blood after an early miscarriage was induced.)_

Even if the miscarriage results in a recognizable fetus coming out...why would you believe it was ever alive?
I mean, it's not even like we have access to more information. The fetus isn't somehow doing anything different. It's not like we discovered it's actually breathing and living inside the womb, and only stops once it comes out. A kick is the only possible observable sign of "life." But, they happened to instead interpret that as being from the one person they did know was breathing and alive. Which, again, makes total sense when you consider their limited knowledge and everything else they believed to be true at the time.

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*/end ramble* sorry 😅✌️. I just find this subject fascinating. (The way the whole "breath of life" idea was finally publicly debunked is equally as fascinating btw - one of the first major developed science experiments performed in a lab & fully demonstrating the use of the modern scientific method. I considered going into it, but this comment is long enough!)

[sordidknifeparty]

Anyone who has read the Bible and continues to claim that God values the lives of babies in general has either failed to understand what they have read in a spectacular way, deluded themselves to the utmost degree, or is flat-out being dishonest in an attempt to maintain the illusion that God is omni-benevolent.

[Goldenrod]

"The Bible gives us objective motility"
"But that's the old testament"
"That was only for those people at that one time"
"We don't have to follow that rule anymore"
What?

[beegee]

We have Paul Weyrich, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to thank for the current abortion battle. Growing up in the 1950s and 1960s abortion was not a church issue. After Roe Weyrich saw this as a way to rejuvenate religion to funnel money into the church. Of course Falwell, Robertson and others were on board with this. As always, it’s all about the money.

[BileDuctBalderdash]

That clip of that lady saying all these babies are going to burn is from Legion that was a freaky movie 21:09

[rickdoogie]

I've always been disgusted by the descriptions of Yahweh commanding genocide in the OT. I've only recently come to the realization of something that makes it even more disgusting; "How did the Israelite soldiers determine which females were untouched by any male"? The only possible scenario would involve big sweaty, bloody, men with swords grabbing young girls and giving them a gynecological examination in the street, right in front of their dying parents, siblings, and neighbors. God is Love!

[trinidadscorpion]

Impressed with how much content you have. Keep up the good work because we really enjoy it!

[gabbysthoughts]

Brandon, I have been deconstructing my Catholic faith. It's really scary. I see the logic, but I can't shake off the feeling God exist and that I'm going to Hell. I also have OCD so that makes the feelings of fear and uncertainty magnify.

[Dragoon]

I was a devout Christian for 18 years. Raised in the church all my life and I never knew about all those horrendous verses. Looking back on it now I wish I hadn't been raised religious. I wish my parents would have taught me critical thinking and reasoning and then let me read each religions specific holy book. I would have become an Atheist way sooner. But we don't get to pick who our parents are or how they raise us. Just like my parents didn't get to choose how their parents would indoctrinate them into the religion and so on. so I'll just have to continue my journey away from religion myself. Thanks for the video. It's helping me to see that religion isn't nearly as clean as I thought it was.

[michaelhenry]

This was a great video.

I know that this video not supposed to be political, however, this video reminded me how I was a Christian. When I was in high school, as a Christian, I was more politically liberal then my fellow congregants. I felt I was taking Jesus’ teaching seriously. There was a few topics I was extremely conservative and one of those was abortion.

I changed me mind when I started voting. I realized that I cannot ask the state to execute my personal values on an issue I will never personally experience.

When I left Christianity and moved towards atheism I changed my mind again to become completely pro-choice along anti-death penalty and anti-war.

It is difficult to base our morality on the Bible. It is better to base our morality on how we want to treat others.

[n.c.]

NT: not being drunk is more imprtant to discuss than saving babies.

[loriw]

I used to work in a hospital and spent time in NICU and PICU. If there’s ever anything that cements the FACT that there’s no just and loving god, it’s those two wings of a hospital.

[davidball]

Didn't god punish mankind, for building the Tower of Babel, by giving them different languages? So any mistranslations are god's fault.

[shanepeterson]

Dan Barker played such a big role in my deconversion too! I feel quite confident that you are having, and will continue to have a similar role in peoples deconstruction and deconversion with your work.

[adrianvargas]

Brandon, you have no idea as to how much help you bring people. I commented, emailed you and texted you on ig that I was ultra afraid and needed help. Now, after watching more of your videos and having you presenting me how awful this is, that pain now has been much relieved, you present characteristics that bring peace that no other atheists have.

[dantallman]

That old Numbers 5 trial by ordeal is a gem. One thing that stands out is the absolute agreement between the various translations on one point: absolute silence about the woman’s partner in adultery. He totally gets a pass.

[Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic]

I'm watching the Netflix series, Last Kingdom. They have scene in which the wife is accused of adultery and the priest is asked to perform the water/dirt 'ritual'. They call the drink bitters, there's belly swelling and sickness involved. The priest never goes through with the ritual. Claims the woman's purity and promises to keep what happened secret.