Part 2. NO PRE-EXSITING Jesus In Revelation 1:5!

Is Jesus God? , Is the Trinity false?, False Bible translations , False Christ's, False teachers!, False faiths, - Ephesians 5:11 And do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even expose them.

[jervionsatahoo]

John 17:5 KJV
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[tahquameken]

Subject of Hebrews 1 is the World to come:
Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 
Psa 102:18  This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
Psa 102:19  For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth; 
Psa 102:22  When the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD. 

God created the New Kingdom through Jesus:
Isa 51:16  And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people. 

Col 1:13  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:NOTE: (We would not need to be translated into the Genesis creation) 
Col 1:14  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 
Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 

As far as the new creation in Colossians goes, our interpretation of eschatology has no bearing on it because it says that God " hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son" - past tense. Therefore it would be assumed that the reader would understand it is talking about the New Kingdom.

Conclusion: Jesus is the alpha and omega of the new creation.

[jdwagman]

The reason why so many people believe that the Messiah preexisted is because the bible emphatically states its.

John 1 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1 9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, AND THOUGH THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM, the world did not recognize him

Ephesians 4:9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

... pus others.

Yea I know ... "that's not what they mean and that is not what it is saying"