HEBREWS 1:1 and 1:2 PROVES JESUS DID NOT PRE-EXIST HIS FLESH.

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[Music_by_Tom]

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last times spoken to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, on account of whom also He structured the ages" (Hebrews 1.1, 2). This quote is taken from The New European Version. I think this even makes it more clear that it was Yahweh who structured the ages FOR his son to rule over eternally. Jesus was a carpenter. The only thing he ever MADE was furniture and ladders etc.

[Michael-The-Nazarene]

Jesus Brought God's Word and The Final Revelation From God, Moses brought the Law but Grace and Truth came through Jesus as it says The Messiah will come and redeem Israel 🇮🇱

[ruahfire]

I can agree with the notion that Jesus was not the mediator for the Father in the Old testament; as he had not yet indwelled literal flesh, but to say Jesus didn't pre-exist his flesh, I believe can be scripturally refuted by Jesus himself and the Father.

Jesus said in gospel of John 17:5:
*And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.*

If Jesus DID NOT pre-exist his incarnation, then Jesus is lying when he said this. The fact is that Jesus did pre-exist his incarnation because of the previous verse spoken by Jesus himself, and also because Yahweh in he book of Hebrews, calls his Son Jesus God, and also says that it was
HE WHO CREATED ALL THINGS. This means Jesus pre-existed creation (because all things were created by him & for him)

Hebrews 1:8-10
*But to the Son He says:*

*“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;*
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;

*Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You*
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

And:

*“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, *
*And the heavens are the work of Your hands.*

So the fact is that Jesus pre-existed his flesh as the Son of God, begotten from the father's own Spirit BEFORE CREATION, and as the Word or Logos of the Father until he indwelt Flesh.

IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT JESUS MEANT WHEN HE SAID:

*And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.*

Obviously it's Jesus the Son of God in the flesh speaking these words, so is Jesus confirming his pre-existence as the SON AND/OR LOGOS before creation? Answer: YES There is no way around this.

Jesus in revelation also claims to be the Alpha & the Omega, the First and the Last. How can this be if he isn't God in union with the Father, and if he didn't pre-exist his flesh?

The Holy Spirit of Yahweh begat a Son from his own eternal Spirit BEFORE CREATION, and all things were made through him and FOR HIM IN UNION WITH HIS FATHER. That's why Yahweh said in Genisis "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE." Yahweh was speaking to his Son Jesus whom pre-existed his flesh.

*And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.*

[TommyGunn]

In Genesis 1:26 who was God talking to when He said let Us make man in Our image?

[RealDystopianFrog]

Do you know where I can find a list of the Top Controversial Bible Topics, OR the Most Debated Bible Topics?

[Michael-The-Nazarene]

Matthew 17 : 5 - God Speaking,
Matthew 3 : 17 - God Speaking.

[projectdesigner]

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”