This takedown should never be legal anywhere

This video discusses the Scissors Takedown, and how it causes injury, either to the ankle or the knee.

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[MartialArtsJourney]

Hey Chadi! Thanks for this breakdown. It's so important for people to get educated about it so what happened to me wouldn't happen to others. I also liked your point about this move where not giving an opportunity to tap. I certainly didn't have it. It happened so quickly and I only tapped when my bone was already broken (which is not ideal timing). Also, thank you for your kind words at the beginning of the video.

[alyu]

A member of that gym said that the same guy did it to another partner soon after.
And as Rokas mentioned, the trainers and members didn't show any concern when he got injured.
I think the name of the gym should be mentioned - seriously.
Let people know which gyms can be dangerous to your health.

[Amer-rrck]

"Step 1 on stopping kani basami: Don't roll with assholes" -Jordan Teaches Jiujitsu (2024)

[KidsBooksClub]

One of the few banned throws that I agree with banning.

[TheChadavis]

What happened is honestly unacceptable. The dude who did this should be ashamed

[jonhstonk]

I’ve had people perform that on me on open mat events on multiple occasions generally these people were visitors from other gyms who came to do a shared class, I never got injured but that’s because I trained judo since I was 4 years old so I know how to immediately fall down safely if someone applies that, and I STILL had plenty of close calls.
This move should only be taught for self defense and technical purposes and NEVER should be used under any circumstances on any sort of competition or sparring practice.
NEVER.

[paradox_]

The name of the person and the gym/dojo should both be revealed.

[lannelbishop]

Kano- basami is simply a technique that should be taught to use in self defense. It should not be use in sparring or competition. Beware of meatheads in dojos. All banded techniques should be taught and practice as self defense only.

[Saku]

Damn, Rokas is a good guy...I hope he recovers well

[VTdarkangel]

I saw Rokas' video. I have no problem training dangerous moves, but giving the move the respect it deserves and making sure your training partner agrees before you start should be paramount. Rokas having no clue that his partner could attempt this was absolutely wrong. Add to fact his gym was unprepared and no one stopped to help him is absolutely disgusting.

[dianecenteno]

I have seen injuries from this over the years ( Jujutsu / Judo). We learn it for combat use ( and used it in the 90's for Sport Jujutsu) but NO longer for sport. We wish Rokas a speedy recovery 🙏

[massboy]

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Exactly. Jiu jitsu guys should be trained better in understanding how dangerous takedowns can be. Just as they should do with leg locks.

There needs to be a separate class with an experienced instructor to teach the do’s and do nots with take downs.

Also Rokas’s injury happen in an open mat. That not really the place to be have at takedownfest not just because of inexperience but also because if you guys are not careful you could end up landing on do dudes just rolling.

[radioface]

Thank you for this video- another friend of mine received a career-ending injury because of an over-zealous dojo training partner. Don’t break your training partners. We all want another day to train….

[JosueDominguez-gz]

I unironically think people who do this move should be sued; the person performing the move knows the high risk for serious injury to the opponent and shows blatant disregard for their wellbeing. Actions need to have consequences.

[hddh]

In capoeira they do a safer variaton of this, its called "tesoura", scissor in brazilian portuguese. In judo the judokas jump and they land diagonally puting all the weight on your opponent's knee. The capoeira variation they jump sideways in perpendicular angle, puting the hands on the floor, the hips are used to block the opponent's movimentation, and then they do the twist usign the legs. The weight distribution Its way better, not putting too much weight you your opponets knee, and by putting one or two hands on the floor makes your leg twist movement stronger.

[ashlandwest]

Thank you for making this video.
I can honestly say, it changed my perspective. I grew up in martial arts and kani basami, or scissors takedown, as we called it, was one of my favorite throws. When it was outlawed in Judo (I cross-trained quite a bit, I didn't learn it by the English name in Judo), I was outraged. I was warned of the dangers when I learned it as something that can happen if you end up sideways, nearly perpendicular to your partner. From that perspective, a lot of moves can be dangerous if you to them completely wrong and try to force them. I continued practicing it and using it outside of competition and in other sports. I have never seen a breakdown like this, showing how easy it is for a well-intended, well-trained practitioner to cause injury. I will no longer argue for the use of this move and will no longer use it, except in explicitly structured training and will take the safety precautions you advised in those cases.
I hope Rokas has a swift recovery. He has been a continual source of inspiration for me since his first video testing the efficacy of Aikido against MMA.

[MonkeyFist]

The problem with this takedown is the hand grip.
You can see scissors takedown (Tesoura) in Capoeira and it is one of the most popular takedowns you see in Roda(capoeira "ring") i have seen it also in other striking arts too and % with injuries is pretty low compared to grappling arts.

The problem is that when they hold for collar or neck and when people who are trying to do this technique just jump on somebody and wait until they fall... and then bad things happen.

I do not trying to offend or defend anyone here. I am also after knee reconstruction (broken ACL) and I do not recommend anyone to get knee injuries (seriously...don't do it guys! Heh).
The problem is that some people have no chill or too big ego or just do NOT think...

But yes. This technique shouldn't be legal because it is dangerous.

[darthludicrous]

I immediately thought of you when I saw Rokas's video about his injury because you have made multiple videos about how dangerous this move is and how it should be avoided.

It's great your highlighting yet again how important it is to consider the safety of your uke. We should all keep highlighting it until people actually do it.

[joseluki]

BJJ has a total disregard for the safety of their practicioners. So many tecniques that are banned in Judo and even Sambo that can be done in BJJ is ridiculous. That guy is fucked up for life.

[Wiseman]

I got my blue belt in a gym like the one Rokas got injured in. They are brutal over there, and I got injured a lot (usually minor), even with decades of other martial arts experience. I'd never tell any beginner to go in there. I just did it because it was literally a couple of blocks away and felt that I could protect myself from the worst injuries. The only good thing about training in those schools is that it is a lot more like a street fight, and you learn accordingly how to deal with these people. Jumping guard, scissor takedowns, cranking, ripping submissions... You are with the sharks and you have to protect yourself. Be very careful who you trust with your training, especially if you are new to the mats.