HEATED Debate Between A Seventh-Day Adventist Pastor and A Christian

Satan or Jesus? Who fulfills the Leviticus 16 scapegoat. Things heat up as Adventist pastor Keith Bowman and I debate this.

TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Pre-Show Anticipation
2:29 - Warm Welcome & Introduction
6:24 - Meet the Debaters
9:10 - Important Announcements
10:25 - Debate Kickoff
11:03 - Keith's Atonement Argument
12:49 - Exploring Atonement Theology
17:36 - The Role of Christ's Sacrifice
18:44 - Concept of Satan as Scapegoat
27:50 - Myles' Counterargument
39:50 - First Cross-Examination Session
42:37 - Keith’s Rebuttal on Atonement
44:43 - Atonement Theological Perspectives
46:17 - Interpreting Hebrews 9
52:21 - Insights from Hebrews 13
57:53 - Rebuttal Session Analysis
1:00:04 - In-Depth Cross-Examination
1:04:34 - Jesus’s Heavenly Sanctuary Work
1:08:21 - Debating Satan's Atonement Role
1:13:20 - Myles' Comprehensive Statement
1:20:58 - Interactive Q&A Segment
1:24:54 - Examining Numbers 25:78
1:25:50 - Satan's Blemish-Free Paradox
1:27:57 - Analyzing Isaiah 53
1:29:49 - Scapegoat Controversy Discussion
1:32:00 - Final Debate Statements
1:37:28 - Post-Debate Reflections
1:45:08 - Rogers/Williams Debate Update
1:47:35 - Official Closing Remarks

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[rafaeltorres]

John the Baptist said of Jesus, behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world....Amen!

[MarlonThorne]

Miles you need to dial back a bit, your aggressiveness was a bit of a turnoff. "By their fruit"

[sonjamccart]

Unfortunately, Keith interrupted both the host and Myles constantly to reword his responses. If Keith believes he has the truth, he should not need to constantly "redefine" everything he just said.

[peskyjesuit]

Adventism doesn't hold water. Keith lost as soon as Myles started speaking.

[yardgunner]

After watching this, and how Myles handled it, I’m even more serious of abandoning the SDA, I listen to Myles a lot and he speaks nothing but pure Bible. SDA is made up stuff

[charlenegodbee]

THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THE TRUTH. I COME FROM 2ED GEN SDA. I ATTENDED THEIR 12 YEAR SCHOOL SYSTEM. I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR PRESENTING THE "TRUTH."
GOD BLESS!!
FYI- WHY CAN'T SDA'S READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. GOD'S PLAN IS SIMPLE, HONEST SND TRUE.

[hectorromero]

This pastor is totally confused and confusing

[sweetmcs]

It's not a debate if Keith doesn't answer, or even ATTEMPT to answer the questions you presented, until he shares a video. 🙄 🤦🏾‍♀️ He'd rather use ANOTHER source, as this is a MAJOR PART of Adventism...SMH

[BarRafiSimon]

Former SDA here (even studied theology at SDA university), now a Coptic Orthodox catechumen. I had to chuckle at the end when Keith remarked that the reason SDAs don't dialogue with evangelicals is because evangelicals question their status as Christians. Myles's immediate response was right on the money: SDAs have been teaching that all Protestant churches have become Babylon after 1844 lol. Gee, I wonder why those protestant churches may be a little hostile to you, haha. Sometimes SDAs are so enamored with themselves as "the remnant" that there is zero self-awareness.

[bbsvchic]

My goodness. He is so confused he’s confusing his own self 😭😭😭

[Notyelfox]

Always pay attention when people never allow you to make your point.

[RobertEdmunds-pzir]

Myles, You have the true Scriptural answer.
God bless you.

[RandySloan-yw]

Matt 5:18 . Nothing has changed from the law!!! The Sabbath Remains!!

[XZGH]

Myles is more like angry child rather than a matured Christian. Somebody plz give chocolate to Myles😅😂 and Keith looks like a good boy who don't know Bible😂. The end result is like two neighborhood child fighting over cupcake😂 Funny boys😂

[bbsvchic]

I feel so sad for Adventists. When I was Adventist I didn’t have any assurance. I didn’t have that “strange joy” that I saw in multiple other Christian acquaintances

But i get it now. The joy of the Lord is in His true gospel. And when that gospel is shifted and changed, that deep joy cannot be there

Adventists might think they know it and have it, but they don’t. And that reality breaks me 💔 But God is good and will continue drawing his own to the truth and to Himself

[ednadelacruz]

Keith is not fit to debate Myles.. Keith needs more knowledge about his religion. Compare to Myles., Myles is deep, extensive when it comes to this topic of adventism history. He'd been there as third generation adventist.. He has much knowledge & experienced how wrong their beliefs, doctrines & practices.. May God continue to use Myles for his mission or obligation to God in opening the eyes of those in false Gospel denominations. More Power Myles.

[ernestzhang]

I am a former SDA in China, I hope millions of SDAs in China could have heard Myles, I try to translate part of this debate into Chinese.

[dok]

32:24. Myles you misquote scripture. Lev 16:5 does not say they function as singular sacrifice. It just says two goats. In verse 8 it clarifies,
“Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat.” The Lord is in contrast to scapegoat. When you say women and other, that implies men. So the scapegoat is not of the Lord.

[dok]

The scape goat cannot represent Jesus.
1. Lots are cast to determine the scapegoat from the sacrificial goat. Lots are cast to allow for divine intervention in picking. If they both represented Jesus, the casting of lots have no significance. You cast lots to choose from two different, not the same. Lev 16:8. Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat. The Lord is contrasted with the scapegoat.
2. Both goats were spotless to indicate that satan started out sinless.
3. Without the shedding of blood there is no atonement. The scapegoat did not shed blood. Lev 17:11
4. The wilderness represents where there is void of God’s blessings. That would be hell. The scape goat is sent to wilderness to die on his own(not sacrificed) never to return to the camp. This does not represent Jesus who did return from death.
5. Jesus carries our sin burden through the daily sacrifice. This sin accumulates all year long. And once a year the day of atonement cleanses the temple and sin is purged from the camp. Lev 16. This is how sin is eternally purged. By placing sin on scapegoat and sent to wilderness which is consistent with Rev 20.
6. Jesus does carry our sins through the daily sacrifice. He will not carry our sins for all eternity.(what’s the point in that). All sin will be disposed of in lake of fire Rev 20. That is not where Jesus will be, but instead the scape goat will be.
7. The priests had to make sacrifices for their own sins just prior to the atonement process to differentiate the sin sacrifice and the atonement sacrifice. The atonement process is a corporate process of purging all sins.
8. If both goats represents Jesus, the implication is that there is a Jesus that died on the cross and there is a Jesus that didn’t. There are some religious sects that believe the avatar Jesus died on the Cross.

[rowanvdb]

Myles is a rude little man with no understanding, because he does not seem to understand that everything that transpired in the new testament, was based on the old testament, so they work as a whole and not in opposition. The new testament does not stand on its own, one can never understand the new testament if the old testament is not understood first!