Why Tesla Keeps Removing “Features”

Tesla is getting rid of the radars and lumbar support on select vehicles and we have some thoughts. Plus, Marques explains why getting rid of radar fits right into the long-term plan that Tesla has.

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[salami]

Lumbar support matters a lot for older people 55 or back injury/accidents/ with people of different heights and long rides where seats are not comfy.

[jameswilson]

It’s hard to believe they don’t think lumbar support is important when they’re sitting on a Herman Miller Aeron chair lol

[bilalrasool]

ACC isn't active cruise control, it's adaptive cruise control.
Always a bigger fish in the sea.

[brley]

If Mark Zuckeberg wasn't a robot, he'd look like this guy

[wilbert]

The removal of features absolutely wouldn’t bother me if I saw the price kept going DOWN.... but it seems to be going higher and higher which is extremely annoying as someone looking to purchase one soon.

[anoopmathew]

If you have a spouse or partner that goes with you almost everywhere the adjustable lumbar support is vital for both. Any trip more than 30 mins and the lack of lumbar adjustment in my wife's car bothers me (the drivers seat lumbar adjustment broke), and we're only in our mid 30s and pretty active/healthy. I think the problem is it's a feature you get in most cars these days, especially anything costing more than $40k. If you really want to treat yourself to truly next level automotive seat design go sit in a newer Volvo, they are amazing chairs.

[polo]

Radar also helps with cross traffic detection. For example backing out of a parking lot when the view is obscured by cars parked on each side of you which can detect approaching vehicles, cyclists, and pedestrians

[curtisbme]

Makes looking at used cars a nightmare. "Is it this version?" "Yes but it is that version, with these features that were available in this window, with these fixes, these versions of these 34 different changes.." etc
For the cameras, it isn't good. If you can't see it can't see. Fog and other bad weather can make camera-only non functional. Forget about it ever being level 5. Plus the excuse listed is absurd "oh it is an old version with low resolution".. Fine if that is a problem you upgrade it. Not like they stopped making and improving radar.

[Hartmaniac]

are either of you married or have families??
Lumbar in both front seats and memory driving seat is a must for me and my wife. We took a 12 Hour drive to the Grand Canyon last weekend, both driving 6 hours apiece.
6 hrs with NO lumbar is a pretty big downside.

[Masterrunescapeer]

"I understand that people don't like seeing this is more expensive and has less thing, but I don't feel like lumbar support is the hill to die on for that".
That's a terrible argument to make, at what point is the feature enough for you to argue that it's a dumb idea to remove?

LIDAR support removal seems like the dumbest thing ever to me, people bought Tesla for that safety aspect, and full vision only is not ready and cannot see through large objects, e.g. car in front a truck that stopped so the truck will slam its breaks, kid running into the road from between cars, etc., you've actually reduced the capability of something people already paid for.

Removing the lumbar support and then still pricing the car the same also doesn't make sense, that's called cost cutting and that's very strange in a premium car, and lots would have pre-ordered the car that included lumbar support and will not get a car with it.

Tesla is terrible as they are not open with the features they have, adding features is always nice, but you can't remove them after someone purchased it.

[laneye]

For anybody driving more than 50 miles regularly everyday (so spend a long time in the seat), adjustable lumbar support will be a huge deal. I'm 6'4 and my back literally breaks on seats without it.

[salami]

Don’t justify tesla removing stuff. It’s the principle

[imperial-gamer]

Me: when is the next mkbhd video
Waveform videos: here you go
Me: 😄

[guiagaston]

Ah yes let's ask the fanboys on Reddit for some objective facts about Tesla lol
The mere fact that the top post critisizes the radar as useless and therefore the fans think it's ok to get rid of it is hilarious. Why not just put better radar on it? Smh

[cyclops]

The point is not the removal of the function and whether you use the function or not. Its that they remove functions without informing customers. Its lumbar support today - whats next?

My Merc has a lot of features that I may or may not use. It is my prerogative. Not the manufacturers. If they remove something, I as a customer expect to hear it directly from them (before I make a purchase) rather than a twitter feed or a reddit forum so that I can make an informed decision.

[KristoforLawson]

Worth remembering that lumbar support is most useful for people who have back issues. I know people who adjust it all the time, whereas I will never change it unless it's uncomfortable.

[ramman]

I’m deeply troubled by the removal of the radar, cameras cannot replace when you have averse conditions or trust a camera sensors that cannot see as well in the dark, but also acc can see two or more cars forward as if in an emergency breaking situation

[ryannitoi]

To answer the guy on the lefts question: I change lumber support in almost every car I’ve been a passenger in

[buenito]

I get why people think you need redundance and/or radar. Two points to that.... I have never met a person that needed used radar while driving, if it's so bad that you can't see then don't drive... Accidents are caused by a lack of redundance, generally speaking is human error or lack of paying attention- camera will not be distracted and the computer will not get tired. If the computer is faulty then it will not be able to activate, sort of like if you're a bit drunk and driving then somebody else is going to take your keys away

[Luna-ooru]

It's pretty annoying, why not just remove it when the cameras out perform the radar in every situation? Or just keep it as a backup/fail-safe...