'They don't use any front-end frameworks!' @ThePrimeagen reacts to our fast site speed on stream

For many websites and web applications, using JavaScript and the Web Platform's features is enough to get the job done and make a faster and more performant websites.

[NathanHedglin]

Because they're actual Front-end masters

[MattThomson]

Imagine how only having the necessary few lines of code works faster than 190 JS dependencies and 6 stage build system

[tibzdankan]

That loading speed is just nuts, I have to check it out by myself

[radovankrizalkovic]

They don't even code in IDE, they use notepad

[WolfieDad]

Wow... You ain't kidding.
Fast as I can swipe.

[secondculs]

Ex-Netflix employee btw. And he use vim btw. I'm also using vim BTW

[vladimircreator]

html + css and maybe a little js and boom. You have the most performant and optimized webpage ever

[mohamedalkhyat]

What about readability and maintainability

It would be very difficult to make any changes to this site.

the framworks dose not exisit in vacuum.

[Dr.Kananga]

We are bloated with front-end boilerplates and frames.

[coffeefps]

I have 1 year subscription in fe master, worth every penny.
I hope they make a workshop on how they do their website before my subscription ends.

[sauravsanjel]

Well multi page application is SSR tbh

[jl_]

this is actually good practice. Makes you focus on the fundamentals

[TheMrk]

So its rest APIs with just AJAX/fetch? Dang

[ashundeyan]

If a site is most static content, I think raw html+css+js MPAs work amazingly, but for web apps with higher amounts of complexity (e.g., an analytics platform), I much prefer frameworks. Always gotta pick the right tools for the job

[kaijewl]

I don’t want to make a task harder than it needs to be

[erik.schlegel]

Amen. For further context listen to the Vanilla JS podcast.

[peterkyle]

Dang, had to check this is really fast 🔥

[PieterWigboldus]

Many optimizations we try to add, like server side rendering, are fixing just bad code.
Many web developers don't know the basics.
First learn just HTML, CSS and native JS.
Many new developers start with frameworks, and doesn't know the base.
20+ years ago, we have to learn the basics, and learn how to optimize for the browser and user.
I also don't wanted to use e.g. jQuery, and later React, because it makes the web a lot time too fat.
I love JS, but frameworks are nice, but makes the site fat, and you need more time to optimize.

[MercurySteel]

How can you have client-side rendering without a frontend framework?

[ggus]

@FrontendMasters are there any plans on releasing more courses on using VanillaJS and Web components in large-scale, enterprise applications?