Nietzsche's Mind-Bending take on Christian Conservatives

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[uberboyo]

I don't wish to be a dork edgelord trying to "debunk" Christianity

These are very difficult and challenging ideas, so I don't mean any of this with ill will

Carl Jung said its extremely risky to try escape your native religion

He advised all Westerners to stand on the stability of Christianity and to make sure our psychological needs are met, so we don't spiral into nihilism and confusion

But Reality is not as flattering to our needs as we'd like

And an honest pursuit of what is real may take EVERYTHING from you... as Morpheus said:

"All I offer you is the Truth"

Anyone telling you Christianity "rejuvenated" Rome is not telling the Truth

Rome converted in 380 AD
Rome banned the old gods in 391 AD

And was invaded and sacked for the first time in 800 years only 19 years later in 410 AD

Christianity was the end of Rome

I am not saying it was the CAUSE of Rome's fall, but it was a big phenomenon during it's fall

Christians tore down high art, scarred statues, and burned books

They accused Romans of "privilege" and slandered the country redneck Romans of being "uneducated rednecks"

The rich women in Rome... the Karens... were one of the premier demographic to push Christianity

It was not some based "own the libs" conservative movements

It was the BLM movement of its time

The hard facts tell this story, and only this story

What that means for us is dizzying...

[woodrobin]

The reason the words Pagan and Heathen were used to describe non-Christians in Europe was that conversion in most European populations was top-down. The church targeted the nobility and rulers using political leverage, and they then forced conversion on their subjects. This filtered out from population centers and took much longer to enforce on pagani (country dwellers) and people who lived out on the heath (heathens). Thus the names for people who lived outside of major population centers became associated with people who were not Christian, because the traditional, earth-centered practices held on there much longer.

No one in Rome thought of themselves as "Pagan" in a religious context. And many of them, correctly, thought of Christianity as a terrorist movement. Mobs of Christians assaulted scholars and priests, desecrated temples, fomented rebellion. And, of course, the idea of a Messiah of the Hebrew people was linked to numerous armed insurrections in Judea.

[ultimatebros]

I don’t believe things because they are conservative but because they are true.

[PR-qpiz]

You can actually see this in Alejandro Amenábar's 2009 movie "Ágora" which features Rachel Weisz as Hypatia.
Set in Alexandria, less than a century before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, you can see how christians in the movie, behave the same way as "progressives" or "woke people" in today's Western Civilization.

[patrickmccloskey]

With respect you’re leaving out the fact that the barbarians who invaded Rome also predominantly converted to Christianity. When has the conquering society ever followed the major religious beliefs of those that they conquered?

[sincular]

Now what I thought Nietzsche's true critique of Christianity was, was that to him it was a kind of confused nihilism.
By making the individual become so life negating and ascetic in its pursuit serving God and of the metaphysical world heaven, it robs the individual of any kind of love for the earth, of life on earth, in fact it calls the earth a fallen world. A sinful world.
And so, because heaven is not a realm that truly exists, the individual is in the end simply striving for death, and nothing else.

[normality]

No matter where I look, I fail time and time again to spot an unwavering political ideology. The core beliefs of these ideologies seem to transform based on the degree of power the followers of the given ideology hold at the time. It's not rare to mistake the characteristics of a conservative christian today with those of liberals of yesteryear, and vice versa. This sort of transformation will undoubtedly keep occuring as long as we exist. Ultimately, virtually no one is concerned with liberty, rights or prosperity. Whether or not they realise it consciously, all they seek is to fill the whole left from their inability to master true power, which is the one the individual holds over themselves.

Although I can never decide whether the will to power is indeed the ultimate force governing conscious beings, as opposed to say will to meaning, I am convinced that it is what inevitably emerges in the abundance of weakness. The weak individuals who cannot rule over themselves, aims to either obey or rule others for the wrong assumption that it may ease their existential angst. Thus, they create ideologies, religions, movements, etc., so that their "confessions and a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography" can spread among the masses, turning the followers into the ignorant subjects of the originator.

Therefore, whenever I read Nietzsche's critique on Christianity, I get the sense that his attacks are not purely at the religion itself, but at the ultimate embodiment of any ideology which claims that all values have already been created, and the table of good and evil is set in stone for all humans universally.

[chiffmonkey]

Back when monotheism was considered weird and offensive.

[marioperak]

How can Christianity be associated with Ben Shapiro when he doesn't belive in Jesus Christ?

[thchamp]

The real problem with Christianity is when you stop believing in God but still follow the moral guides, which now are not based on anything.

[ConsideringPhlebas]

The Goths who sacked Rome were Arian Christians, so apparently conversion to the faith didn't sap their vitality.

[michaelashby]

"If the rules you follow brought you to this place, of what use were the rules." - Cormac McCarthy

[scientificreactions]

We worship a transcendent reality - the King of Kings. Lord of truth, beauty, and goodness. The woke are a bunch of sad-sack victims that rail against everything beautiful and excellent.

[frest]

There is another term used by early Christians to denote non-Christians. Ethnikos - those who followed ethnic religions

[robertburgess]

Thankyou for saying this because I'm tired of repeating myself

[liammelia]

Excellent analysis, and also troubling

[stealer]

love the edits and yea, shit is crazy

[engineeredtruths]

The new right is created and it does not represent Christianity.

[samdavies]

I mean, he might've done, but no way would Nietzsche thinking this ideology would have the robustness to replace Christianity, probably just another shadow.

[orenji-sama]

A few days ago I said to my friend that if I was a viking I'd probably hate christians because I'm not very accepting of change