TwoSet was wrong, why you should clap between movements

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[hoangkimviet]

Carl: "Why you should clap between movements?"
Radetzkt March: "Why you have to ask?"

[liul]

I clapped between movements once by mistake (a concert in a church, baroque music I didn't know and i counted wrong the number of mouvements in the program I had), I was the only one clapping, and the director turned to face me. I was so red, I wanted to die

[ethanma]

in my opinion, clapping between movements should be entirely up to the performers, because clapping between movements can ruin some of the suspense or interrupt the music. like just for example clapping between the 3rd and 4th movements of mahler 1 can ruin the entire feeling of the piece. but i do agree with your points about the practicality of keeping orchestras in business by keeping audiences and growing the audience, because having too many 'barriers' to new audiences (like having these unspoken rules) can deter them

[iclodnelcutjwldlrow]

If I find a recorded live concert of a piece where people clap between the movements, I find another recording of that piece to listen to. I think it can really interrupt the experience. I don't think many people go to a concert, realise they cant clap between movements, and then give up on classical music for that reason. It's really not that offputting. That being said I do agree with the sentiment of the rest of the video. We cannot simply be optimistic and hope that classical music will have a bright future. I don't believe we will reach a point where classical music will die, but it's clearly declining and we should do more to stop that. I have been inspired to try and compose more (I don't compose at all outside school but I do have an interest in composing). Thank you for that. Unfortunately, school music education here (in Ireland) touches very little on composing. I suggest that for the sake letting young composers gain a little exposure, you encourage your subscribers to submit their compositions to you maybe for a competition, or just for you (and your subscribers) to critique the compositions.
Unfortunately the problem is entirely that there aren't enough young people composing. There are young composers out there but it is very difficult to build a following and one of the problems with composing classical music is how long it takes. It's not feasible as a full time job these days so it can only be a hobby, which significantly slows the already slow process. The greatest living composers will probably struggle to compose enough new things to develop their own music, let alone develop music as a whole. Great composing prodigies go unheard of because too few people listen to and perform new music. It is our own fault really. We must embrace and encourage the production of new music for it to gain recognition. There is probably not one living composer whose name is a household name (even in the classical music community). Classical music can never be fully revived - brought back to the mainstream in this state. I don't mean that it should replace other forms of music but I think new classical music needs to be more popular for it to rapidly evolve like it has in the past

[marijntenvelde]

Few weeks ago was at a performance of Tchaikovsky 6, and after the 3rd movement, which was played absolutely electrifyingly, everyone just went wild, but the conductor immediately moved on to the finale. It occured to me watching this video that it would have been more appropriate with this piece to take a few minutes of a clapping pauze for the audience to show their appreciation and to perhaps get down a little from that high before launching into that final movement (although it might have been precisely Tchaikovsky's intention to have you experience that, and and whether perhaps to take a short break between those movements could be a whole separate and interesting discussion), because after that finale a whole other palate of emotions had taken a hold of me and the rest of the audience, and though the applause was great, it understandably wasn't and couldn't ever be nearly as rapturous as the applause after the 3rd movement. Also, the opening of the finale was drowned out by the applause, which was really quite sad. The conductor could just have turned around, basked in the applause for however long he found appropriate, and raised his arms to signal everyone to be quiet, and then continue, and the whole concert would have been better for it.

[johnson]

I really think clapping between movements is interrupting and annoying. It can ruin the experience of the concert, and I do not at all think, that it is the way to "save" classical music.
Investing in young people, getting them to play an instrument and have free tickets to concert for them is definitely more in the right direction in my opinion.

[anti]

Next week I'm bringing a friend to their first concert ever, playing Rach's second piano concerto as well as his symphonic dances. Hoping it sparks something in them.

[henryopitz]

Clapping between movements I can subscribe to. But eating and talking while the music is being played? No way, that would ruin everything.

[Michael-dbv]

the old way's are the only thing that make live performances fun

[UCEkEUqjJcWlaQD]

On the point of making concerts more interesting, one of my music teachers who performs for a semi ameteur orchestra (she did professionally play before as many other members did) played at a music festival. The sort of festival which people go to do lots of drugs and see indie acts. There was a mosh pit instead of seating and they played some shorter more dancable music, from the people I know who were there, as well as the opinions of people online and of my teacher, people absoloutely loved actually dancing to an orchestra at an open air festival. At least 1/4 of the movements in almost all symphonies are dance movements so why shouldn't people be dancing to them, it is by far the youngest classical audience I have seen (bar childrens concerts). Not a gray hair in sight

Another thing I found that has got lots more people into classical music (as it did for many of my friends I took) was reduced tickets for students. The local orchestra to me does £5 tickets for students, so after school every few weeks me and my friends from my music class would take the bus to see the concert, even taking some other people who didn't study music, who now listen to lots of classical music and have brought me along to concerts with them. Imo its an excellent scheme to get younger people into music, and was quite helpful in my studies seeing 5 of the symphonies we study in school in person.

A final thing which might help out is increased focus on childrens concerts. Many great composers have written excellent pieces for children, Prokofiev, Debussy and Britten come to mind, perhaps if we exposed more children to these works at a young age they would be more likely to enjoy classical music as they get older. As well as that I think the short length of these pieces would help out with stopping the children from getting bored, as I don't think a child would enjoy 90 minutes of uninterrupted music too much. The other week when going to see Tannhauser I saw someone who brought their child to the performance, only to leave 15 minutes in

[teemusid]

I'm imagining classical music with as many micro-genres as rock, pop, hip-hop[, etc. have.

[dasportsfan]

Classical Music is a completely different genre then most pop music, if you can’t listen to a piece for 45 minutes without looking at you phone, then you just don’t like classical music. Pop songs are mostly more hype then an average classical piece where there are epic parts but also quiet parts where you can pretty much hear everything. For example, you wouldn’t want people chit chatting during Mahler 5 Adagietto for example, it would completely ruin the vibe. The musicians of the orchestra might also not feel as respected if people are talking and not listening to them. However with the clapping, I feel like it is fine and I feel that maybe the orchestra can decide if they want people clapping or not depending on the piece.

[sergei-prokofiev]

I hate when people clap.... Its just very annoying....

[db]

I don't think audiences don't clap between movements through external pressure where they are fighting against this innate desire to do so, it's that most people who go regularly choose not to because they don't want to disrupt the flow of the piece of music, both for their own enjoyment and to respect the people around them who paid for the full experience of the performance. When you say we should allow clapping, it's a case of wanting lots of people who choose to not clap, to want to clap (or now feel duty-bound to clap through external pressure). But they don't want to clap in the first place. There will always be a natural feeling of "red face/brief embarrassment" if someone who wants to clap does so and other people who don't want to, don't respond in kind. But it's not judgement, it's just that others choose to not clap. As for talking and drinking, people who go to these concerts just want to listen to the music. Trying to attract people who aren't entertained to only listen to music, without talking or drinking for 45 minutes (the time period you brought up) suggests they aren't really interested in classical music. Nothing can change the fundamental reality that the vast majority of classical music involves long-form works, where you aren't getting the pay-off of a chorus with a bass-drop in a nice 3 minute package. That sort of music is more suited to drinking and talking, because there is substantively less depth. You've got two or three guitars and a vocalist, or a DJ and a synthesizer, with natural breaks in the music every two or three minutes. If you're listening to the end of Mahler 9 and people around you are having a chat and waving glowsticks and downing vodkas, it's not going to be a good experience.

[schergood]

Nein, niemals!! Its exactly what we need. Its NOT a Disco!!1 Its NOT a Circus. Dont fall for the casualtiesation of everything, its a disgrace. I would rather stay away from a concert (and did in the past, because it's so annoying) then to bow down to this Nonsens.
Let them have there Lopz-dings and some day they will realizes that all that noise is just a destraktion from there loneliness in a crowd of numb, mindless sheeps, only attracted by there short span of dopamine spikes like a Goldfish.
Because maybe the find the real beauty in silence some day.

[ernest_asa_iii]

1:25 Sir Rattle & Sir Solti 😂🍻

3:25 Last time for me was December to see *Yuja Wang's* Rach 1 with Philarmonia Orchestra.
Next concert I'll attend is *Daniil Trifonov's* Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.3 with the London Philharmonic Orchestra in March 2023.

0:58 Me every time:
Andrés Orozco-Estrada x Hr-Sinfonieorchester
Release a new YouTube concert. 🎻👀🎉

[lokmanmerican]

I've no problems at all with clapping between movements - not *within* movements.

It can depend on the frequency of occurrence. Clapping at the end of a series of very short standalone pieces would become tedious and audiences will naturally avoid doing so. They should judge what's appropriate and reasonable, instead of just abiding by "house rules".

Yes, there is - should be - a space for audiences to be less "religious".

[ComposedBySam]

I am all for beer in concerts!😂

Jokes aside, I do think your points are valid and once in a while there should be concerts like that where people just eat, drink and enjoy. It would definitely help more people to be interested

[stanleycostello]

The last composer, at least in the United States who made an impact (aside from cinema) was George Gershwin. He wrote popular songs, but he wrote more serious music, too. What did he do? He incorporated jazz. If I were a young composer, I think I would incorporate (in a concert hall) some rock. Gershwin is not up to the standards of Brahms or Bach or Tchaikovsky, but at least getting people into the concert hall. As far as a hero of classical music, people of a certain age remember Leonard Bernstein. Ask them who Herbert von Karajan was, you would just get a blank stare. Who can replace Bernstein? Who knows. I've just read over my comments. I think they are true or just BS.

[ianng]

There are music for you to talk and drink. But programmatic music like many classical music are NOT intended for the purpose and you end up not listening to the music but just overhearing it. If that's the case then what is the difference between Mahler and Taylor Swift? Clapping in between movement could be good in some cases and horrible in others. NEVER would you want to stop in between a Beethoven 5 3, 4 movement or a Schumann 4 3, 4 movement to clap. Or the end of the Mahler 6 slow movement building the atmosphere to the finale, assuming it's Scherzo andante. I would certainly love to clap after like a Brahms 1 first movement, or even the end of Parsifal act 1, that is if people don't kill me for doing it😂