RANT - MODELERS MAKE DIFFERENT MUSIC

#ampsim #modeler #guitaramp

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[TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I was feeling a little down today but then Henning said "flatiddity" and now I am happy again

[zeebaig]

Your point is valid and I agree with it…just to add to this topic I think sequenced drums and softwares are convenient but are equally responsible for losing the power and feel behind the rock music.

[OroborosEternalLife]

One aspect I think is overlooked when comparing tube amps vs modelers is the response each has. Different amps have different levels of attack, squish, and bloom from the way it saturates. A modeler, even when replicating the sound to a tee, usually has an immediate response to your playing. It no longer is an instrument itself that you have to account for and play to. That tight, quick, direct response you get from plugging in direct is another reason why players are getting faster, tighter playing more proficiently. They don't have to worry about how the amp will react. It gives them more control and just gives them back the sound right away. The best way to demonstrate this point is to take a nice, responsive acoustic-electric guitar, play it acoustically and then plug in directly into an interface, put headphones on, and just play. At least to me, I play much differently. Different kind of feedback loop I'm getting from each experience. Both are good in their own rights. Same with tube amps and modelers. I use both and love both. You can also see this with Jazz players, usually opting for immediate response in their gear. It's easier to focus on the note and technique itself without things "getting in the way". Hopefully that all makes sense.

[ShotGunSky]

I am taken back to the late 70s early 80s our band playing out constantly. I had a Hiwatt Custom 50 the old one with 4 inputs, both channels bridged, into a Marshall 4X12 with only the top 2 celestions wired, an MXR 10 band EQ to push the front end just enough. No Reverb. You are exactly right on the mark. This setup was alive in your hands and inspired you to play each note with thought. The reason being was each note, each tiny movement of your right hand muting the strings was instantly in everyone's head. It makes you a better player in every way, no hiding behind a bunch of reverb and effects. The room was the reverb. Pure Joy!!

[Dan_Ranger]

If the drummer is bringing a kit, I’m bringing an amp.
I get the convenience of modellers, and I’ve used them all over the years at gigs. Just something about guitar, amp and cab interaction. I’ve never been anti modellers, I’m just pro amp. Great video.

[ibanezlaney]

Spot on Henning. You have hit the nail on the head.

[briancoyne]

I agree 100%. I have been saying this for years: all the great Rock 'n' Roll songs we know and love would not exist if it weren't for REAL tube amps in the room. That experience is what drove those artists to make those great songs. Real amps and real drums is the heart and soul of ROCK. Anything less is regurgitation.

[sinfirma]

I simply believe that the improvement in modelers in recent years has arrived just at the most digital moment of humanity, in addition, we must add the fact that now they do sound as they should sound, that is, like a microphoned amplifier. Amplifiers sound more 3D in the room, fuller, etc...but if that guy who went to your studio and was amazed by the sound of a real amplifier, comes back to his apartment and realizes that that amplifier can't even be turned on to do not disturb neighbors or family...in the end you will continue with the modeling, or when you have to catch a plane, where will you keep such a wall? The amplifier simply sounds better ONLY IN THE ROOM, but people don´t play only in the room with good soundproof or in the middle of the forest.
A product has appeared on the market that performs the same function for a professional guitarist but in an incredibly more comfortable way. It's just what we wanted in the '80s and '90s but now it becomes true. Modelers are the result of the natural evolution of human beings towards the acquisition of products that make their lives easier, more comfortable and efficient.

[izek]

I used digital gear through solid state guitar amps for 16 years ish before i found the benefits of analog pedals over digital… fast forward a couple years and i purchased my first tube amp and discovered more playability through touch and feel in regards to my relationship between guitar and amp… i learned that guitar speaker choice also plays a huge role in this symbiotic relationship with sound.

I feel music much better with real gear over digital software base equipment using monitors

[Obigrobi]

You are 100% right. I went fully digital with in ear for rehearsals. I miss the "in the room" feeling. The digital stuff is just conveniant. You should know both worlds and then decide. Most younger people only know the digital way. Digital is also much cheaper getting a good sound. Analog gives you the option to really make it YOUR sound.

[MrAngryTwinkie]

My playing experience *feels* different as we get closer to and above 100 dB. There is a combination of psychological and physiological reactions when the air is moving and sound pressure levels rise. Musicians to instruments to air -- a very complex system. Amp modeling + vocal pitch corrections + gridded sampled drums = no longer a captured and idealized version of the thing; it's now an idealized FACSIMILE of the thing.

[WillCMAG]

I used to have a half-stack with a Peavey Valve King head. Some days when my parents were out I'd turn it all the way up and jam out on the front porch. It's definitely a different from of immersion. You're not playing the note you are experiencing the note. That's something that you have to experience for yourself. Through the whole video I kept thinking about my acoustic guitar playing. That too is a different kind of immersion where one tends to play each note and chord intently.

[ESP]

Thank you again, Henning!! Music is loosing it's human/organic pulse. It's still the same thing, the tone is in you head/heart and hands, going through your instrument, amplified out into the air, always will be...

[NickGranville]

I play loud as heck with my modeller and frfr (Fender Fr10) I don’t hold back. And hardly ever use IEM’s as I hate them. And I play all kinds of styles from Jazz to Funk, Blues & pop (and more) as a professional guitar player (session guy). I have very nice amps too (2x Victoria etc). I think music has moved on, that’s the difference not the gear.

I think people think too much about this stuff and get it in their head the things are different via a modeller when it really isn’t and convince themselves the gear is the issue …. Remember it’s YOU playing the music, not the amplifier or other gear!

[victorvaldenegro]

I bought the Avid Eleven Rack when it first hit the market over 15 years ago. I powered it with a Marshall 9200 tube power amp. It was for my Rush tribute at that time. It sounded fantastic and I’m a tube amp guy. But I needed tons of flexibility. The Eleven Rack is considered a dinosaur now, even though the patches can still be used with the Headrush platform. The tube power amp is the key to giving the sound dimensionality. Thank you Henning!

[WesPaul]

This was a great video. The comments made in favor of real amps in the room are the best I’ve heard on the subject. It’s hard to express how something feels but to explain how those feelings change the way the player plays their instrument is the key. Thanks for this!

[glencross]

I love modelling now as it suits my bedroom playing. I used to be in a gigging metal band 20 years ago and I miss that Marshall 1959 100w head through a 4x12 so much. That first super distorted and loud open strum in the rehearsal room was therapeutic.

[budgetgearguru]

You’re right man. There’s nothing like a 5150 on a 4x12 in the room. Nothing. You feel like a freakin wizard

[Amber]

Oh, it's Fossile yells at Lens on Sunday again, my favorite series!
I like listening to your take. Sometimes I disagree, sometimes you change my mind. It's actually become my favorite thing on this channel

[richardkaderabek]

I perceive two crucial aspects of contemporary guitar production: recording in a control room with a tube amplifier in a live room, which doesn't capture any interaction between the live room sound and the guitar at all, and the use of in-ear monitors during live performances. In the latter case, physical interaction may still occur (if a cabinet is present on stage), but the sound is perceived in headphones through a microphone and preamp, and the brain processes it with a slight delay of several milliseconds. Add the demand for silent stages and we get a legitimate reason to use a modeler. Let’s set aside virtuosos who use cabinets offstage emitting sound in the opposite direction to the guitarist himself or intentionally isolated setups...