How Ordinary Men Became Nazi Killers - Prof. Jordan Peterson

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In this small excerpt of Jordan B. Peterson’s psychology lecture “2017 Maps of Meaning 4: Marionettes and Individuals (Part 3)” at the University of Toronto he refers to the book “Ordinary Men” by Christopher R. Browning and discusses what it took to turn average police officers into a gang of killers for the Nazi regime.

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PsycheMatters
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“You end up in very bad places one step at a time, you gotta watch those steps.”

-Jordan Peterson

ChristinaLedl
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That age marker of 22 seems a little bit optimistic as of right now. Seeing an awful lot of folks even into their 30’s falling mindlessly into line.

Pika_Drew
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The scariest thing about that is it's actually repeating itself today and I clearly see it

hugonubario
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I read this in college. It’s shocking when you see how easy they walked into becoming mass murderers. It’s even more shocking is when you realize how easily it could be you walking into becoming a mass murderer.

dontparticipate
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any book that this man recommends must be essential reading ive just ordered my copy

michaelreynolds
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The gradual hardening of the heart. When you go against your conscience for the 1st time, it is easier the 2nd time, then easier the 3rd etc. That's why we should never go against our own conscience. God gave it to us as a gift to help protect us from evil.

IlovetheTruth
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This is very true. Once you have excused away the first step, the second and third becomes easier. All the more reason why such regimes work so hard to dehumanise their opponents.

awesomeavenger
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The unfortunate truth is... none of us know how we’d react under similar conditions. Of course, we’d like to think we do, but we don’t. My father was there, and was once ordered to take part in a firing squad, which sickened him; as he quite rightfully said, “You have no business condemning any man, unless you’ve walked a mile in his shoes”... Ok... I never quite understood the “mile” bit, but what he was intending to explain, is that you wouldn’t know how you’d behave.

When you’re away from home for months on end, sometimes years; your friends are dying all around you, you often don’t have adequate food, clothing, equipment, and no idea if your loved ones are safe at home... I imagine that could break many of us.
When you’re freezing cold, wet, hungry, and all too often scared, you come across an enemy village; maybe similar to the village you grew up in.
The order is then given to take it. The village has plenty of food, wine women, warmth, clothing, and all the things we normally take for granted; how do you respond when the enemy village resists, or even refuses to give aid, and comfort to your friends, and yourself? Answer... YOU DON’T KNOW! Is the only truthful answer one could give.

People, from all sides, are capable of the most heinous acts; all nations have committed atrocities during wartime... there are no exceptions.
There’s no excuse for this behaviour... but each of us are capable under certain conditions, of losing all humanity. Quite terrifying!🤭

raymondjones
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I was 17 when I became a solider in the British Army. I knew I was brainwashed. I am still dealing with that to this day. I am 48 years old. It had a massive impact on my life.

SimDeck
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I have read the book in question, Ordinary Men. Its a must read for any student of the Human condition. Always fascinated me how otherwise decent people in peacetime, family men, educated men can become deranged killers during wartime.

braxxian
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Word arrangement in a sentence makes a difference. You'd put Killer Nazis instead of Nazi Killers since that changes the entire dynamic of the subject matter.

YZf
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"You get there one step at a time, so you better watch those steps."
Whenever I talk like this people accuse me of making a fallacious "slippery slope" argument, " when I'm really just trying to point out the importance of the matter at hand.

jameswoodard
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Quick note as I scan comments. This isn't a "left vs right" issue at all, or "communism vs capitalism". It is a human nature issue. Human nature is to identify with their groups and feel a necessity to do what is considered necessary for their group. It is not about the ideology, it is about being apart of your group.

Also, including with my own comment, understanding this transition takes a lot of different perspectives. Every single theory of behavior makes assumptions necessary for simplification as without them it would be impossible to make any statement. Theories including assumptions break down more and more at the borders of what they were meant to represent and at the knowledge used to produce them. Thankfully, Nazi Germany is not a commonly experienced event. As such, saying the answer is x, y, or z theory is incapable of being accurate, will limit your understanding of the situation, and will lead to inaccurate interpretations of the world around you. Totally different though than seeing similarities to that theory or the partial explanation that one theory gives.

nathaneyring
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One of the most important and extremely moving book's I've ever read. I agree with someone who commented "any book Dr. Peterson recommends is definitely worth reading" ABSOLUTELY 💯

dleimkuehler
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Experienced being an ordinary man in Vietnam 50 years ago. Everything he says is true.

alandavis
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C.S Lewis' speech, "The Inner Ring", explains as well as any analysis that I have heard or read how the need to belong easily corrupts. It can be slowly read in 10 to 15 minutes.

ronaldkulas
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This is why education is so important. A man has to decide how he is going to behave in tough situation before the tough situation occurs. That is the only way to strengthen one's resolve during times that try men's souls.

As the song goes, "You have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything."

glennwatson
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Also knowledge is power. it's easy to control ignorant people

grndragon
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I was in the army and joined at 19 years of age. It seems, listening to this section of lecture, I was fortunate to be in the particular army I was in because even though our training demanded a commitment to team work and unity our individual response to each scenario was always questioned but we were never told we were wrong. We were then shown by our "older" (NCO's in their 30's) how everything must be agreed and communicated and the end response must be warranted. I served in few countries and our forces came face to face with many warring factions and time after time I witnessed and eventually was part of the negotiation process that was preferred to infiltration and conflict. It became obvious to me the men armed to the teeth standing opposite me were just ordinary men and stood there hoping that a respectful word would allow them honour and a way home...just like me. The Prof is right in all but one thing, the only step that matters is the first step. If that is wrong then everything else is just a stumble.

DDCCO