Suspended for 2 Years... Can I Still Get Into Med School? | OldPreMeds Podcast Ep. 269

This student doesn’t feel confident continuing his journey to medical school due to a 2-year suspension. Is there any hope for him to still pursue his dream? And how should you answer questions about institutional actions on your AMCAS application?

[theshinythings]

The way he said the school had a "bias against men" is what really made the falsely accused thing sound sus.

[Dancerocksful]

honestly too many colleges have a lack of due process with suspension or expulsion policies. one would think that they would be sound seeing that large institutions should be able to conduct proper proceedings, but more often than not, this is not the case. even many attorneys agree that these processes are messed up and need to be re-evaluated. also, the average student cannot usually afford an attorney (upwards of $15k) to defend their innocence. this is america- innocent until proven guilty...but doesn't look like this student was given that same chance.

[Pete-da-peter]

I have been watching Dr. Gray since I've been a pre-med, and I always trust his judgement regardless, due to the fact that the man knows the process extremely well. But this time I have to partially disagree. if in fact the student was "wrongfully convicted", he has the right to hold his innocence banner all way to the grave. sometimes especially minority students, we just play the victims to avoid being penalized more. While i don't know the story and hopefully the student is telling the truth, he may have no mean of fighting this and accepting a two year suspension. a lot of time school just don't care, and will make an example out of a student without due process.

[tal]

So if someone is actually wrongfully accused they have to lie and say they were rightfully accused, in order to get into medical school?

[juliejiwonchoi]

Y'all so triggered but he's literally giving feedback representative of how med schools would view this application. It is what it is, fact is he got suspended and he needs to make most of what he's got.

[FBI-edku]

man if whoever this is about is watching this I wish you best of luck on your path.

[Ghytiees]

This is ridiculous and absolutely not acceptable. Far too little information to give any real advice here. You cannot say with any certainty that the accusation was true or false. We have nearly no information to go off of. All we can assume is that the guy is wrongfully accused. So, what could he have learned from being wrongfully accused? That the system sometimes is not going to find the truth. This is a massive disappointment.

[ib]

Did the commenters the same message I did?

Vague use of "misconduct" even though its obvious he's referring to sexual misconduct? 2 year suspension? College is biased against men? Small group of women who also have their academic careers at stake decide to accuse him of misconduct because of his political views?

Please use critical thinking skills...not everyone who says they're falsely accused is falsely accused. This man is guilty as hell.

[msmeez]

Y'all. Take a moment to think critically here. This dude was suspended for 2 years. 2 years. 2 years. What Dr. G is saying here, is that 2 years is a pretty hefty amount of time and would not be handed out lightly or for absolutely no reason. Now is the student entirely to blame? Who knows! Maybe not. But it seems highly unlikely that they did absolutely nothing wrong given the severity of the punishment. What seems likely to me is that this person maybe has some communication issues that contributed to the problem. I have absolutely left classes before where I strongly disagreed with conservative classmates (and them with me!) but we kept it cordial and respectful, and no one was ever thrown out of college over it because... it would have had to have escalated pretty freaking far for someone to be removed from classes. What Dr G is saying to the student is really think hard about how you may have contributed to the situation to make it worse. What did you learn? He isn't saying to lie if there were aspects that were unfair. He is saying; did you learn about communicating your points in a respectful manner? Did you learn language that is received well or received poorly?

Also, for the dudes on this thread talking about being unable to interact with female colleagues and getting "me too'd".... I hope you realize that you will have patients who are women who deserve quality care and not weird misplaced fear when they step into a room with you. It has been really disheartening and honestly scary reading some of these comments.

[neff]

I feel incredibly bad for this student, being told that you have to assume you were in the wrong to stand any chance of getting into medical school. If I were in his shoes *and were truly innocent*, I would definitely consult a lawyer to see what can be done - someone who can look at the full details of the situation and potentially try to salvage his reputation. No one knows what evidence the university supposedly has against him, so I don't think that Dr. Gray is necessarily the best person to be giving advice for the situation. (Neither is anyone in this comment section!) But if nothing can be done on that end, I do agree with Dr. Gray's advice that you can't say "I was wrongly accused" on an application.

To the people saying that he is automatically wrong because of his gender, I encourage you to imagine yourself in his situation. It's not a political issue. The presumption of innocence is one of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system. Saying that he is wrong just because he is a man is inherently biased.

[abtahitishad]

There needs to be more context/details over what happened. We are all just speculating at this point. However, I don't think he should just admit guilt if he truly feels wrongfully convicted. Remember, there are three sides to every story: his side, their side, and the truth.

[Maddawg]

Yeah I’m left with a lot of questions. I agree with Dr. Grey- using the term wrongfully accused isn’t the right way to go unless you went as far as taking legal action and winning. Which isn’t unheard of- they had a student win a similar case at IUP in 2018, and it made national news. That doesn’t sound like a great option at this point.

[emw]

This comment section is ridiculous, stop going after Dr. Gray for his take on this. The student this video is about didn’t tell the whole story in his question, and it comes off as intentionally vague, as if he’s trying to figure out what his story should be. He didn’t say what the charges were. More importantly, he didn’t say if he made any effort to defend himself. It’s a plot hole which is easy to see if you put your CARS hat on and actually set your biases aside. You can’t say you were wrongfully accused if you have no evidence that you made an effort to defend yourself. Sue the university - look for a lawyer who will cut you a deal (which wouldn’t be hard to find for a case like this). And I’m sorry - but in the real world, expelling someone without evidence is just asking for a lawsuit. Title IX goes both ways, and you can’t believe every persecution fantasy anecdote you read online.

This isn’t men vs. women or liberals vs. conservatives. This is about one guy who probably isn’t being honest with himself. If you’re going to cry yourself to sleep over it, go right ahead. Mistakes happen, people get wrongfully accused. Everyone knows that, and everyone understands that it’s a problem. But if you claim you were wrongfully expelled but made no effort to defend yourself, it’s going to raise some eyebrows. That’s just a fact.

And even if the school did suspend him without hard evidence, literally nothing would stop him from going to another school. The situation was non-criminal so there was nothing stopping him. The fact that he didn’t or couldn’t is extremely suspicious. False accusations happen and I think they’re horrible - but be honest with yourself: this dude isn’t telling the whole story.

[coleolson]

This is such a bad take. If he was wrongfully accused, he's being blamed for being a victim. This is the same as telling a rape victim that it was their fault for wearing a skirt. Lost a lot of respect for you in this video

[claytonmcdonald]

There’s definitely more to the story here - doesn’t add up.

[CurtisJBergerJr]

Who gets wrongfully suspended for 2 years!? These comments need to chill no way he’s completely innocent.

[gmansplit]

It seems pretty dumb to claim that he couldn't have been wrongfully accused due to the fact that the school went through some process.



Though it obviously isn't college, I can say from personal experience that I was wrongfully accused in the eighth grade by a group of girls in my class (who were known bullies) of threatening to assault them. I was a complete social pariah, and the main girl in the group went to the principle with this nonsense accusation, and was immediately backed up by her three friends. After some BS "investigation, " I was promptly suspended.



Now, I obviously have no idea what happened with the person who wrote this question, but I think its pretty dumb to claim that the presence of an investigation by the school clearly means that he wasn't wrongfully accused, since these "investigations" are often nothing of the sort, and basically entail believing the accused being guilty until proven innocent.

[rylandspence]

Just because some is punished doesn’t mean they were guilty. Thousands of people are wrongfully convicted of crimes every year in a justice system that is almost certainly more thorough than whatever process a university uses.

[deusexmagica]

Right on Dr Gray. A lot of these comments are soooo unsettling. Imagine having a physician with so much pent up hatred of women like the guys in here. Yeesh.

[jacksoncoots]

The way he outright dismissed the student's question, and the timing of this post during the current political tensions between men and women leads me to think that this video was deliberately posted to garner up more views and support. It's pretty much Medical School Headquarters taking the feminists' side. I don't agree with it, but he's playing the Youtube game. But it at least reveals the skewed thought process of med schools.