Pilot’s Arrogant Mistakes Got Them Killed!

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[thomaswest]

I’m 73yo. A couple years ago, with 32 yrs flying (COMM/glider/tow pilot) and 1, 200hrs with 2200 landings, I decided I just wasn’t at 100%. Lots of older guys out there, and I could have kept on flying. But reality is when you age, your body and mind just aren’t what they use to be. And I promised myself from my first flying lessons at 38 that I’d stop if I ever honestly felt I wasn’t absolutely confident of my skills being maintained.
Aging degrades your hearing, sight and ability for quick thinking under stress. I still love aviation, love my life. I love playing with the grandkids, my hobbies and my wife. And my head still snaps up when anything flys overhead. Life is too sweet to risk flying lessons than 100% of what you know you need.

[joelmacdonald]

The lead singer of Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson, was also a certified commercial pilot. Iirc, it was Icelandic Air that he flew for. As such, he also flew Iron Maiden’s leased jets a few times on tour; 3 tours iirc. This did include taking into account time on stage as work, so there were some legs he didn’t fly. Iirc, it was a 787 he flew, and I KNOW a 747 was one(I have a picture of myself in front of it). On the most recent tour(s), Bruce no longer flew, and people were wondering why. Bruce’s response was so respectful. While he was too old to fly commercial, his license was still valid for private. He simply said, “If I shouldn’t fly commercial, I probably shouldn’t fly private”, not word for word, but something to that effect. He also said, again, not word for word but in meaning, “if I shouldn’t fly strangers, why should I be flying my family”. My hat is off to Bruce, talk about putting ego aside.

[Jon-PauleAmbrose]

Every time Hoover delivers the line “They only had xx minutes left to live” it gives me shivers. Tbh, it just reinforces how sad it is that many fatalities could be avoided by just adhering to the basics!

[reignman]

I can see why Ray enjoyed flying with Claude. Ray is the kind of guy who likes to be on a power trip and Claude is easy to push around.

[ktmdoug]

I flew freight in the Falcon 20 in the mid nineties for a couple years as a young, low time, co-pilot. There are only 2 types of people who fly 135 freight in falcons and other smaller jets. 1) low time, inexperienced pilots building time and experience. 2) Pilots that no one else will hire.

[wadesaxton]

Hoovers quick rundown of the pilots resumes told us all we needed to know.
There were reasons these two pilots were flying freight in a Falcon 20 at this late stage in their careers.

[oldguysrule]

The Captain had no business flying. His conduct during the flight was completely unacceptable. Not sure that age has anything to do with it, his conduct would have been just as dangerous if he was 40. I feel for the first officer.

[Castiel]

Just a total disaster!!! With so many flight hours in the log how is this even possible? I am truly shocked and so grateful that I started and ended my career as an airline pilot without any problems in 40 years flying.

[KenLittlefield]

45 years as a Corporate Jock. Decades in Gulfstreams (G-1 through G-550) plus Cl-600 through Cl-604. World wide. Retired at 65, my choice, with home bases from US, Norway, Saudi, Oman and Hong Kong. Watching this, I am appalled. Nothing but luck kept them safe, until their luck ran out.

[robertgibbs]

My wife and myself love watching you. You’re very well spoken, easy to listen to, informative and concise. You’re perfect for this. Excellent channel.

[dmdemmym]

Nice to see you back Hoover. You put in a lot of good hard work. I’m glad you had a chance to get to the show and take a break somewhat. I hope you had a great time!😎

[brians]

Two holes in this “Swiss cheese” model were: A) Pilot and B) Copilot. Hard to believe they were deemed capable to fly in either seat let alone fly as a crew.

[Sushi]

The loss of life is tragic. I’m 73 and can hear but could not deal with all the details of flight. Not pointing, fingers, but this Captain should not have been flying. At 73, fairground check rides is a red flag for a company. They did no one any favors and got them killed.
In all our lives we need to know when to fold ‘em’.

[scottwright]

I used to fly for a large Fortune 100 flight department with fourteen pilots. As an FO on a Falcon 10, I'd fly with four or five different captains. One of these was a pretty surly character who was hard on his FOs. Every time I flew with him, my wife could tell by my countenance when I'd walk in the door at the end of a long day that I'd been flying with this guy!
But on one flight, just before he abruptly resigned, we were on a flight into Moline, IL. We were approaching from the west and planning a visual for runway 09. But as we were descending into the pattern, I realized he was setting up to land 27! I said we were cleared for a visual 09, not 27, and he acknowledged and made an initial correction to the SE. As we were coming around the south side of the airport, I realized he was starting a turn to final for 31, I think it was, and again stated we were cleared visual 27. He corrected, and we landed uneventfully on the assigned runway.
I don't know for sure what was going on in his personal life, which I think made him difficult to work with in the cockpit, but after getting inside the FBO, he thanked me for watching out for him. Then, a day or two later, he had resigned.

[mikegropp]

Man Hoover, it's always very eerie when you throw that "they only have x minutes to live." Love your channel and the information you provide. Absolutely no way you're not helping pilots make better decisions with these debriefs.

[stevewalker]

Well done Ray, you asserted your dominance all the way down.

[briananderson]

Hoover and his content are great. He is so respectful but he still gets his point across. I am currently almost finished with my instruction and close to getting my private pilots certification. Part of my lessons included having to watch 30 pilot debriefs, and write a paragraph regarding the debrief and my take away from each. It brings the reality as to how serious flying can be. Most of these debriefs come down to one simple fact, the human mistakes that the pilots make. Thank you Hoover. .

[rtbrtb_dutchy]

One thing that’s not being discussed in this is the cargo company. I know this company from the 1990s and back then, it had a horrible reputation.

We had a First Officer who we decided would be the “eternal First Officer”, because he was not good enough to become captain. This guy left us, went to this cargo company and was flying as a captain in less than 3 months.

[AHNC-Hat]

My big takeaway is where the PM (the more senior pilot) kept handing the controls back to the PIC who clearly wasn't able to fly a stable approach. It's hard to fathom what he was thinking.

Putting out the air brakes on approach?! Takeaway #2: don't make up new ways to fly an airplane, especially when you're low to the ground.

[johnmehaffey]

Looks like they ignored what you always state, fly the plane, navigate, communicate, captain failed on all 3 tasks, great post again hoover