How Surges Work In Raids and Dungeons

Showcasing the ins and outs of how surges work in raids and dungeons versus nightfalls.

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[itztizzle]

One caveat! Kinetics can still work if you have a god roll supremacy for instance, but no good stasis or strand counterpart. But if you can match the surge, that is definitely ideal. And with it being arc this week, just go with cloudstrike if you don't have an Irukandji god roll for instance. I can't give every possible hypothetical in a video, just trying to get the info out there

[FloridaMann]

Bungie bringing surges without bringing the accompanying overcharge modifiers is just them bringing half the mechanics and punishing us for the other half being missing.

[Grassdia]

They should add a kinetic surge to the right column

[kylebush]

I think Normal Raids having Surges is terrible and limits options in what should be a more casual-friendly environment to have fun. However if the surges do stick, they need to at least enable Overcharges.

[connormcateer]

Love how Bungie made it so before; kinetics were too powerful. And now; kinetics are too weak. They didn’t fix any issue they reversed it, now with added benefit of us getting 100 more vault spots so we can use them all up on holding onto good heavy and special weapons of every single element now….

[FYATroll]

This needs to be shown to Bungie because this is oversight I'm pretty sure. Prior to Prismatic kinetic weapons would get the surge if you were using a subclass that matched the surge.

[DMONEY]

I pray they revert the permanent-5 power and the kenetic nerf.

[BoxBends]

Super interesting to see the impact of surges/lack there of. Loved the video.

Thumbnail was amazing btw

[snickerdoge]

It was def overkill for them to nerf kinetic damage bonus and simultaneously add surges to dungeons or raids, it should have been one or the other, kinetics pretty much have no reason to be used aside from a few exceptions

[thedarkgenious]

Kinetic weapons might as well just be banned from raids now :(

RIP those beautiful Deep Stone Crypt kinetic specials and Supremacy especially.

[Sohelanthropus]

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[CleopatraKing]

Makes sense kinetics arent preforming anymore
They were always basically at surge level and could still benefit from kinetic surge mods thus becoming hella strong and worth doing if u wre matching ur heavy to weekly surge. However with the removal of the kinetic dmg buff, and no weekly kinetic surge, they no longer can preform better. In fact surge mods are worse than weekly surges already. Kinetics are in a tough spot hopefully we see kinetic surge weeks in the future to make up for it. I believe surges are healthy for the game, as it rewards u for getting a vast array of guns. Bequests for arc week, falling guillotine for void, lament for solar. Similar eith other weapon catagories, gives more reasons to find different element weapons and play more. Its also not super punishing bc surge mods exist so even if ur not getting a god roll of every element ull only be a couple % behind, with the downside of not having other mods.

[plaguedoctor]

I believe they're removing the surges in normal raids and dungeons, and it's now as if every surge was activated at all times including a kinetic one! This was mentioned in the twab I believe

[pencilswordfish]

Also, sidenote, we need kinetic heavies now so we can match kinetic surge mods.

[FrstyFriend]

Overcharge and surges don't stack right?

[faridronin]

Let me know your thoughts on -5 power in raids and dungeons. They made it even harder to solo dungeons now. Maybe the solar/void surge week will be better.

[wethepeople]

I’m confused. I thought it was weekly surges too but my raid group tried the witness last Sunday which had solar surge and we didn’t manage to beat him so we planned on trying again Monday before solar surge went away but it was arc and stasis? So I thought maybe it’s daily.

We managed to beat it that night though so that’s good. But yeah I was confused

[funtourhawk]

idk I just used mountain top/dragon's breath to solo 3 phase the 2nd boss in Warlord's...was using a solar fusion but MT is just so good for ammo economy/consistent damage at range, still feels really solid with impulse/vorpal

[Crembaw]

This was such a bad change that feels like they listened to people who just kvetch about the game being ‘easy’, threw a huge tantrum and made the changes, then calmed down and locked in to make Salvation’s Edge — without reverting these changes.

[CaelanDylandy]

I'm probably in a small minority of people fine with Surges and -5 in Raids and Dungeons but I really want to see Bungie add Overcharged. It's crazy to me that Kinetics are just being swept aside when we've just had our first ever Kinetic Heavy.