Jesus Doesn't use the DeuteroCannon w/ Gary Michuta

Did Jesus use the same Old Testament that we do? Why not? Find out in this clip!

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[adamcraig]

This was great. As a Protestant, I can attest that we get some poor theology from missing out on the deuterocanonical books. Daniel is linked to Antiochus in Maccabees which in turn is linked later in Revelation. There are all sorts of weird stuff with the Rapture that comes out of not knowing the history that goes along with Daniel and Revelation. The first time I told my family I did not believe in the secret rapture because of 3.5 years of tribulation were already completed, they stopped talking to me for a bit and thought I was crazy.

The whole dispensational movement is based on errant views from not having all the text.

[mrsandmom]

In tobit. The angel Raphael is mentioned. He says I am one of the 7 angels presented before the Lord. In the book of Revelation... It speaks of the 7 angels presented before the Lord.

[Jerônimo_de_Estridão]

The Jewish encyclopedia accuses Paul of Hellenism precisely for using books like Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus. The letter to the Romans makes references to the book of Wisdom all the time . The first letter to the Corinthians (10: 9-11) mentions a passage from Judite (8, 24-25 in the original vulgate, the Greek variations are different), and Clement, Paul's disciple, quotes the book of Judith too in his letter to the Corinthians still in the first century. Even the Nestle-Aland edition of the greek text confirms the influence of the deuterocanonical.

[colmwhateveryoulike]

I only recently downloaded Catholic Bibles so as to read these books. I began with The Book of Wisdom and it very much felt like scripture and seemed inspired, but I am no expert. But I recognised the reference to 2:17&18 here when he mentioned it. Very interesting and affirming. Catholicism continues to bear up to scrutiny for this prodigal wanderer, newly returned but undenominated.

[lukababu]

Reading wisdom of Sirach. It's so beautiful 😍

[megaloschemos]

Just finished reading Gary's book 'Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger'. A very good and informative read, I highly recommend it.

[theodoreperkoski]

nobody ever realizes, that one of the most important quotes was given by Jesus during the Festival of Lights, which was a festival from the era of the Maccabees. Jesus could have stated, that since This festival is from a period that is not acknowledged as part of the Canonical history of God's people that it was not important. He gave one of the most quoted verses in the New Testament. "I Am the Light of the World"

[cafepablo]

I saw an old man once that had a hat that read: KJV, the bible that God uses.
I didn’t know if I should laugh or scream.

[thehussarsjacobitess]

The non-Catholic arguments below about their particular favourite Church father's opinion, as well as that of anti-Christian Jewish leaders of the first century, is a perfect illustration for the need for papal supremacy. Christ promised that He would not leave us orphaned and so instituted a Church structure. The idea that Christians had to wait over a millennium for a stuttering, bisexual Scot to deliver the authentic Scriptures utterly belies that promise, especially for sola scriptura Protestants.

[matthewchacon]

This would be a really great one to translate to Spanish

[krystallos]

I feel like there is so much to research, but I’m trying. I grew up non denominational Christian. My dad really doesn’t appreciate Catholics, because he has always been told it’s wrong. He’s a minister and he always tells me how they don’t have the truth because they get changed the Bible and added books to their version. I don’t blame him for his opinion because he’s just always know what every other Protestant believes.

I honestly did not even know what Protestant meant until recently. I heard the term, but hadn’t ever looked I to it. So a lot of Christians are not educated on the holy mother church that Christ started. We are told that anywhere people gather is church and that our version of the Bible is everything we need. They preach a lot about not changing God’s word, yet that’s exactly what marring Luther did when he broke off from the church and didn’t want those books on our bibles. He effectively changed what we are allowed to read and go by. If we aren’t supposed to add or remove from it then why did that happen and is seen as acceptable by Protestants?

I’ve always been told that Catholics changed the Bible and the one that we have is the true word. It’s sad that so may still believe that. I don’t know half of what I should yet, but I can tell from every answer that has been given by Catholics about the Bible and those books that were removed from ours, that they have the truth. It’s still hard to change my way of thinking from what I’ve always known, but I’m trying. By listening to elders who have researched all of this and who have been through conversion themselves. It’s definitely fascinating and I want to continue to learn. I almost feel like I haven’t been living as God intended according to they way He taught us in the full Bible. I know I’m forgiven, but I do repent. I didn’t know.

[RandolphCrane]

I would honestly be shocked if Jesus used any cannon at all. He wasn't in an artillery regiment, as far as I know. Or at least the Evangelists didn't write that down... 🤭

[daithimcbuan]

Anglican bibles still often have The Third Book of Esdras, The Fourth Book of Esdras, The Book of Tobias, The Book of Judith, The rest of the Book of Esther, The Book of Wisdom, Jesus the Son of Sirach, Baruch the Prophet, The Song of the Three Children, The Story of Susanna, Of Bel and the Dragon, The Prayer of Manasses, The First Book of Maccabees & The Second Book of Maccabees. Particularly study bibles.

[ilonkastille]

The different groups of jews did not agree on anything. There was not one set of books which all the jews agreed upon.

[lalvee]

Thank you, Mr Machuta, for your dedication to Our Lord and His word in the scriptures!!!

[lawrencetoth]

Love the great work, Gary! Keep it up!

[jldrumm]

I'm a Christian (conservative Anglican) who is just now reading the apocrypha. Tobit so far is such a good testimony between a man and God. People have no issue using study Bibles and their notes in teaching, preaching, and learning, but they have an issue with using and reading these books. I never understood why these books can't be used in like manner as notes and historical input, especially if people don't agree they're scripture.

[mikejames]

There is one Christian Bible, the full one with 73 books. Removing the deuterocanon is one of the reasons protestant theology doesn't jive with orthodox Christianity.

[barelyprotestant]

The historic Protestant position on the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha, whether Lutheran or Anglican (not so much Continental Reformed), is more nuanced than "Apocrypha bad and not Scripture". In fact, Anglicans do consider it Scripture according to both the 39 Articles AND especially the Books of Homilies. In the Books of Homilies, there are homilies that quote the Deuterocanon (plenty of that, actually), and even claim that the Holy Spirit speaks through it. Tobit is cited in this way, as is the Wisdom of Solomon.

[digidox]

He is absolutely correct: 2 Maccabees explicitly tells us that there were Jews who refused to be delivered from torture in order to be resurrected.