Scorpene SSK Sub Brief

France and Spain have come together to produce one of the most capable conventional submarines of the modern era. There are major differences between the Spanish S-80 and the French Scorpene, learn about them in this lecture.
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[SubBrief]

There are major differences between Spain's S-80 (plus) submarine and the Scorpene SSK. I go over them in great detail in this lecture.

[GiulianoM]

All Chilean Scorpenes are currently operational. I can personally attest to that. I've seen them both at an International Tallship Fair in Valparaiso just a couple of years ago (probably 2018 or 2019).

[davidcasals]

Thanks very much for your video. I think they are really appreciated by the submarine fans all around the world.

A couple of comments:
- The dry dock expansion has to be triggered due the enlargement of the class from 70 meters (210 feets) to 80 meters (240 feets). So the root cause was not they "forgot" to build a proper dry dock, but the overweight problem detected in the initial desing.
- The first submarine of its class S81 has been already laid down. It will perform its sea trials on 2022 and will be commisioned in 2023.

I agree with the rest of my spanish colleagues, S80 can not be considered anymore a Scorpene submarine. I will say it will deserve a separate video on its own when its real capabilities are exposed.


Best regards

[rubenpizarro]

Hi!. Both Chilean Scorpenes are in service after the 2010 27F tsunami. For example, the Carrera participated in DESI 2021 in San Diego, and the O'Higgins participated in Chilemar VII with the US Navy Undersea Rescue Command. The submarine on drydock Talcahuano was the Ecuadorian BAE Shyri. The upgrade process of this U209 type boat was completed successfully on 2012

[AndreiGrozea]

That's a LOT of sub briefs lately, very nice

[silmarian]

The distributed array sounds a lot like what they use in astronomy. They call it "interferometry" and they'll use multiple radio telescopes over a certain area (sometimes thousands of miles/km apart) and software to stitch it together. It's about as effective as having a single telescope the same size as the distance between the receivers, and it's how they got that picture of a black hole a couple of years ago (among many other things).

[peterc]

The S-80 cannot fire Tomahawks at the moment and it isn't clear if it will ever be able to. The Spanish Navy has not been able to make a deal with the US and acquire the libraries necessary to integrate this capability within the SCOMBA system. Same goes for the F-110.

[pedroprietofuertes]

S80 is a complete different submarine to the Scorpene. The main reason why Navantia did not get well with then DCNS was the 2002 short time conflict between Spain and Marrocoo about the occupation of a tiny island named "Perejil" in the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar. The island (togheter with other military posts) is under the soveranity of Spain but It was occupied by a small marrocco police team to trigger the popularity of the young king of Marrocoo just in the throne after the dead of his father king Mohamed VI. The action was pushed by Jacques Chirac, president of France who was against the pro US political position of the Spanish Aznar prime minister. The French though Aznar will move back to avoid the conflict but he didn't. After the police team was sent back to Marrocoo the political relations between Spain in one side and France and Marroco in the other side were broken and the 50-50 commercial agreement between Navantia and DCNS started to fail. Spanish armada requested a complete different project base on power cells AIP and US combat and weapons systems instead of french ones and the projected Spanish submarines were not to be a Scorpene type any more. Navantia was not prepared to design a new submarine from scratch on its own and DCNS didn't allow Navantia to use the same Scorpene supply chain. This is the origin of all the problems, very top level requirements and lack of preparation. To make the things worst, there was a big social and labour row in Navantia and lots of very experience employees were forced to retire in advance of the statutory age. It is clear, because of poor design capabilities, that matching the updates of the already existin design with complete new requirements and equipment will be very challenging and critical issues like weight and buoyancy balance would be happening. Submarine design and fabrication capacities and capabilities are extremely difficult to get and Navantia, the Spanish armada and the soul of Isaac Peral are still following a very step learning curve. PD: Finally, Chirac got what he liked, selling weapons to Marroco.

[BrunoViniciusCampestrini]

Excellent video, but just a correction: 1985 wasn't the year in which the military coup happened in Brazil, it was the year that the military dictatorship (which started with a military coup in 1964) ended

[Desi]

Naval Group is building new infrastructure in Cherbourg because they anticipate a lot of Scorpène orders in months and years to come. It really turned out to be big hit, it fits a lot of smaller navies.

[theparthapratimdas]

5 of the Indian boats have been completed, 4 are active INS Kalvari, INS Khanderi, INS Karanj and INS Vela, Sea trials are on going for INS Vagir. The last one INS Vagsheer is in production and no the AIP has not been fitted on the fifth boat.

[Dudumarus]

Romania is looking for this type of sub. We need at less 2 or 3 off this. All information here are gold compared with media coverage about this subject. Thank you!

[jonathanventigan]

Given that Australia is now in the process of acquiring nuclear submarines and the US is supporting them, it would be inappropriate for the US to continue criticizing Brazil for it's nuclear submarine program. Plus the Brazilian reactor uses low enriched uranium and is a low proliferation threat.

[jeromyrehling]

I LOVE your channel. Love these lectures. I have learned so much from you.

[SoldierIberian]

The difference between the Spanish AIP and the rest is that the Spanish have managed to create hydrogen inside the submarine based on bioethanol, the other AIP systems have to load the hydrogen in port when they run out. That is why the Spanish submarine will have an autonomy of at least three weeks while the rest of the submarines will only last 12-13 days... the technological leap of the Spanish submarine is enormous

[gorkarullan]

Although it is not mentioned directly in almost any document of the navy, the main reasons for the break with the French shipping company; France did not want to share all the plans for the submarine with Spain, political problems between the two countries. Certainly Something of Spanish Pride ... in the naval fairs our shipping company was treated as a mere comparsa, when in those years we manufactured the best frigates in the world. So it was decided to break the relationship and produce a good national submarine. And the United States thought it good to help us a little bit in order to unseat France from the Armament market. It is the typical fight between America and Europe for the world market ... and Spain always in the middle.

[Doc_Roe]

All these releases to YT this week has been amazing! Love the content, keep doing your thing!

[bigsarge]

Don't know how I missed this one. Keep up the great work, man!

[gorkarullan]

Some of the points are wrong; The death of the rupture of Relations between Navantia and DCN (the French group at that time) were largely political, but in GREAT GREAT MEASURE military and technology. As you know, it was French since the 90's, frigates and destroyers (FG Fidgor Najsden and Hobart) equipped with the AEGIS System as well as its F-100 and F1-105 frigates equipped with AEGIS Systems (of North American manufacture). Two months after the attacks of September 11, 2001, the navy staff determined that the characteristics of the ship should be different (it should have API and ground attack capacity, as well as the capacity to deploy special units). Scorpio did NOT have these characteristics. Our partner frabxes did not want to change his project, so Spain decided to ally with Locked-Martin. Thus the new S-80 would have: A new API unit, ground attack capability (tomahawks) and a new sonar (a sonar derived from the one used in the USS VIRGINIA (provided by Locked Martin. joint project with France and Build your own S-80 with the collaboration of Locked Martin.

[gorkarullan]

Second question; The s-80's manufacturing problem was not (initially) its size. The problem is that the initial calculations were made wrong and the submarine was 70 tons overweight. Spain at this time decided to request help from General Electric Boats (General Electric). The submarine had to be lengthened by X meters, resulting in the need to lengthen the ship's mooring docks (not the dry dock). Regarding the System Independete de Aire, it will be incorporated in the next revision of the ship; It no longer joined because Spain needs operational submarines as soon as possible. And there was no time to finish the development of the API and incorporate it. So the first 2 units skip next year without API and the last 2 if they will have API.