How Kakashi Learned The Rasengan

Kakashi knows the Rasengan. He used it for the first time when he was explaining how the Rasengan worked in Naruto' Rasenshuriken training. But how did Kakashi learn the Rasengan? We see his Rasengan clashing against's Naruto's wind style Rasengan in a brief Kakashi vs Naruto spar.

Did Minato teach Kakashi the Rasengan? Did Kakashi copy the Rasengan? Or did Jiraiya teach Kakashi the Rasengan? We will also discuss how Kakashi invented the Chidori, as many people think it was a byproduct of Kakashi failing to add lightning style into his Rasengan. Let's find out.

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[Orbitthemaster]

I thought Chidori not being a "lighting rasengan" was common sense since it literally has hand signs unlike the Rasengan.

[SunlightGwyn]

2:45 That's an giant leap. Minato doesn't need to ask why he isn't using the Rasengan. That doesn't follow logically at all. He would just be surprised that Kakashi developed a new Jutsu.

[mathanon]

Kakashi states in the chapter he uses the rasengan that he wouldnt have created the chidori if could properly add elemental chakra into the rasengan

[HolyAarom]

"They show Kakashi washing his hands 15 times" 😂 Damn that's so true

[nirbanjyotidas]

Best explanation of chidori so far....i always wonder why rasengen and chidori are different... great video👍

[secretly_ur_dad]

It was said by kakashi while training Naruto, and I'm vaguely paraphrasing, that after learning rasengan and attempting to add nature chakra, he found that he wasn't able to and so he made the chidori.

[phillipmoses]

I don't think the writer intended on stating that the Chidori is a failed lightning infused Rasengan, but I do think the writer implied that Chidori was the next best thing. Kakashi trained to combine his elemental nature with Rasengan, but failed due to the complexity of accomplishing such a feat. To add elemental nature to a shape manipulation on the level of Rasengan proved impossible for Kakashi. Kakashi, understanding that elemental ninjutsu jutsu are immensely more powerful when the scope and depth (or shape) of jutsu are as high as possible, was able to combine his elemental nature with the level of shape manipulation he was able to come up with for Chidori, to create Chidori. Kakashi would not have known this if he didn't hadn't already known Rasengan. Either Minato taught it to him, or Kakashi, as the genius he was, saw it enough times and wanted to learn it and complete a technique even his master couldn't.

[pkj]

You're focusing way too much on the page where Kakashi says he wasn't able to combine the change in form to the change in chakra nature, and you say that doesn't mean that the Chidori comes from the Rasengan. But if you go 2 pages back, Naruto says it will be a piece of cake to perfect the Rasengan since he had just learned a change in nature, and Kakashi says if it were that easy, he wouldn't have had to invent the Chidori. If you add this statement to the statement in the page you showed, it clearly implies that he created the Chidori because he failed to perfect the Rasengan.

[om]

5:50 The amount of people who say chidori is a fail rasengan in the community post is funny

[PrinceSamTV]

You should have also mentioned that Kishimoto tried to make it seem as if the jutsu was imperfected, when literally every character uses it the same way

[XangoFwet]

I honestly thought at the Valley of End at the end of Shippuuden that Sasuke wouldve shown Naruto he could copy the rasengan just to prove his superiority to him but it never happened

[Atticus-Catnipp]

I always wondered what if Kakashi uses Rasengan in one hand and Chidori in the other.
Could he use both at once?

[joshuajose]

Idk why a lot of people are arguing over this. Kakashi copied the Rasengan (it’s literally in the video as shown in the panel.) He tries to infuse it with lightning probably to try and increase its power (lightning being his chakra affinity), but fails to do so.

Kakashi then develops an entirely new jutsu based on lightning chakra which is the Chidori. Raikiri is an improved version of Chidori, only being named differently due to the fact that he actually cut lightning with it, as stated by Guy.

[Arcadia_warlic]

"If that really were the case, I would'nt have had to invent the Chidori, I wasn't able to combine the Rasengan's change in form with a change in chakra nature to lightning."

Kakashi said it, himself, to Naruto, when he showed him his Rasengan. The two pieces of dialogue together indicate what led to the Chidori's development, they are talking about the same concept. The Chidori is an incomplete Lightning Release Rasengan (though still stronger than the Rasengan itself). The third databook even points to the Chidori when discussing the Rasengan to indicate its ability to have a nature transformation applied to it. Kakashi uses it instead of the Rasengan because it is stronger and it compliments his affinity. The Raikiri is a piercing-type attack which needs him to charge at full-speed, the Rasengan would just be less effective.

The Rasengan and Chidori tie because the Chidori is itself not complete. The Raikiri is stated to be stronger than the Rasengan in the third databook (or, at least, Kakashi's Chidori, same difference). It is presumably still weaker than a hypothetical Lightning Rasengan, though, which is what Kakashi was lamenting.

Rotation is used in the Rasengan to substitute bijū chakra as explained by B. Once there is another nature applied to it this no longer becomes necessary (though Naruto tends to keep his the same).

[west]

I mean he did say he made the chidori because he couldnt add lightning to the rasengan. He said that using a change in chakra form and a change in chakra nature together was hard and that the rasengan is the change in form but he wasnt able to add lightning at the same time. So i mean yea I guess that doesnt mean that the chidori is a failed lightning rasengan technically but he did make the chidori because he couldn't make a lightning rasengan so it does imply he knew the rasengan first

[Rikarikun]

Kakashi definitely had his copy ninja thing going before he got his sharingan. And honestly I subscribe to the theory that the first use of chidori (not on screen) was the result of a rasengan popping via botched lightning release, and that it was an accident. However, I do think that from there, he developed it further, by choice.

I would like to see what other botched elemental releases would create though.

The rasengan as a whole is weird. Uzuhiko totally gives chidori a leg to stand on as a rasengan derivative and honestly makes it look normal by comparison.

[louiswalusimbi]

Why would anyone think Chidori originates from Rasengan, you literally have to use three hand seals to properly wield it AND it requires a near extinct dojustu to even properly use in combat

[MisterFanwank]

No, you can't assume they use the same amount of chakra. Different abilities have different traits. That's why I always objected to people complaining about the substitution jutsu: The show very often shows us what goes into making an actual jutsu, and that they have different strengths and weaknesses. The substitution jutsu is a low level jutsu because it doesn't fool high level opponents. It's not comparable to the Rinnegan ability that actually just always works, which is why it's so dominant and terrifying: It puts high level opponents back into the mindset of being a genin, which is the only level of skill where the substitution jutsu reliably works. You are paying too much attention to what the jutsus are said to do, and not enough attention to the reality of the situations that we're shown, especially in context of the show explicitly saying that half of being a ninja is keeping your opponent in the dark about what you're really doing. You are attacking the show with abstract symbols and syllogisms that do not actually capture anything that is happening in the show. It would be like asking why we don't just use computers for all of our thinking since they're "so much better at thinking than we are", which totally ignores the details of how computers work and what is reasonable to ask them to do, especially given that computers regularly make the exact kind of mistake I'm describing because they can't easily investigate the details of things themselves: They are very prone to cold logic whose axioms may only be tangent to the way the world works.

[treytison]

Didn't Boruto infuse lightning into the rasengan at like 11 years old lol

[MisterFanwank]

What do you mean Naruto has no talent? That boy was roughing it up with chyuunins and jounins his entire childhood. His talent wasn't recognized, but Naruto is extremely talented, just like Rock Lee is. The whole point of those two that people miss is that what you are is good enough if you will just lean into it and not fret about what other people have. This is why I never felt the Neji fight lessened Rock Lee's story.