What If Poland Betrayed Ukraine? | Alternate History

Poland has historically been one of Ukraine's closest allies, but at the root of this alliance is a desire for Poland to increase its strength, and bolster its security against Russia. With Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, the Poles have become increasingly invested in the Russo-Ukrainian Conflict, with a Russian source suggesting that Poland may be preparing to launch its own invasion of Western Ukraine if Kiev appears to be approaching surrender, or if Russia manages to push even further Westward toward Transnistria or the Dnieper River. In such a scenario, we're left wondering would Poland follow actually do this? And what if Poland betrayed Ukraine by invading the West while Russia invaded the East?
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[DigitalWaqf]

Poland has been beyond exceptional, especially when considering Ukrainian nationalists in the past massacred Polish civilians, with Ukraine still praising figures who led those actions like Bandera.

[damian]

Poles now see Ukrainians as Poles from 1939 - this emotion is super strong, not very well understood in the west that sees WWII through american movies perspective where war is basically fun action and american hero is untouchable, can do some Rambo stuff with german tanks.
The perspective in Poland is radically different. This is why Poland will never backstab Ukraine. That would be like spitting in the memory of all those millions who died during WWII.

[rosecribs]

Interesting scenario, but hardly a possibile one. No one in Poland, maybe except a very small numer of radicals, would be in favour of such an invasion. It would cause mass desertions in Polish army and protests all across the country, as Poles have grown to be very supportive of Ukraine since 2014, and even more so since the start of the war few months ago.

[redshirt]

Everyone: "Poland do the funny"

Poland: annexes western Ukraine

Everyone: 0_o

[obiwankenobi]

A lot of people in the comments don’t see the fact that this is a what if alternate. A lot of it is speculative and fantastical in nature

[damian]

1:48 - That's a slight mistake, Poland is not europ-skeptic, in fact Polish population is among the highest pro-EU stance among all EU countries. What Poland is skeptic of is the further EU integartion i.e. more power to France and Germany and less power to member states. Why? Because Poland believes that those powers will betray Polish national security and trade it for cheap ennergy and good ties with Russia.

Besides that Poland is very pro EU in terms of free movement, trade agreements etc.

Unfortunately liberal western media tend to show only Franco-German perspective (POLAND BAD!!11!!! EUROSCEPTIC!!!!) but they rarely talk (actually never) about Polish concerns like for example how will Poland stop France and Germany to sell its security for Russian gas if Poland agrees for them to be the head of the federal EU state?

[Raul_Menendez]

West Ukraine: Thank god! Poland is here to liberate us!

Poland: More like under new management.

[subcommanderxelios]

Poland to Ukraine in another timeline: <<" *Too bad buddy, this twisted game needs to be reset* " >>

[MonsieurDean]

Poland to Ukraine: "You've made your last application to NATO, kid. Sorry you got twisted up in this scene. From where you're kneeling it must look like an 18 karat run of bad luck. But the truth is...the game was rigged from the start."

[Hayabusa-lobc]

Stupidity .. Poland would never want the western part of Ukraine full of nationalists against Poland living in Lviv, etc. The same troubles would be associated with it;

[J_X]

Could you do a video on a potential balkanised China?
Tibet and Xinjiang could get independence but what about other autonomous regions like Inner Mongolia? Some people even go far to talk about an independent Manchuria. Also, pretty much all of china's cities, population and GDP is in the central parts of China, not the Eastern parts that could get independence.
Whatifalthist posted a video about china's future collapse, but I think it was farfetched and nowhere near as realistic and fact based as I would like.
Would love to hear your thoughts about this.

Also, as another topic I would like to suggest is AI and next generation technology. After properly looking into the industrial revolution, it completely changed the way humans worked and lived.
Could artificial intelligence and new tech have that same affect on economies like China?

[adamperdue]

When this was first going down, I was wondering about the possibility of Poland invading Ukraine from the West if it looked like they'd fall to Russia, simply to deny as much of Ukraine to Russia as possible, similar to how Britain tried to negotiate a similar deal with France during WWII, with the intention of giving the land back once it's all over.

Basically the thought process is that Russia can attack Ukraine's troops just fine, but they can't attack Polish troops (who just so happen to also be in Ukraine also fighting Ukraine) without declaring an offensive war on Poland, invoking Article 5.

[LeifurHakonarson]

So, where would the Polish/Chinese border be located? 🙂

[THE_ELÐEN_LORÐ]

This will always be seen as an aggressive move to take territory. In example before ww2 Poland took bits and pieces of land from Countries giving up territory to another country. The only way that something like this could happen is if Ukraine and Poland both wanted to join forces ADAMANTLY. Anything short of that and it will always lead to internal rivalry and disputes. None of which either country needs. I do not live in Poland but I am Polish with friends and family that are Polish (came from Poland and still visit Poland). A lot of individuals are still salty about what Ukrainians did to Polish people in the past however most support Ukraine.

[afgncap]

As a Pole, it's such an unrealistic scenario I dunno where to start. Even as what if.

Sure our government is a anti EU integration, but people not so much. There is huge support for the EU in Polish society and the government like this won elections for the entire different reasons. I don't see this eastern western dividein the EU happening either. Poland swaying Austria, Croatia, Czechia into it's sphere of influence. Currently we barely have any sphere of influence and we are more of an outlier in EU policy and our government actions don't make us very popular among other EU members except for maybe Hungary with which we also had a falling out recently.

Also we are struggling with disparity in development of eastern parts of our country (insert invest in Eastern Poland meme) and a lot of socio-economic issues. Adding new parts would be a disaster and would probably start huge wave of protest while current governing party is not so high in polls. We are extremely homogenous nation and while helping Ukrainian refugees is one thing forcing them into living here and stealing their independance would be widely unpopular. Not to mention it would absolutely alienate us among our current allies. It would basically end us. Maintaining Ukraine's sovereingty is in Poland's best interest.

[GnosticAtheist]

Interesting but difficult to imagine. They have millions of Ukrainian refugees and majority support in the population meaning an "occupation" must be seen as protectorate and thus not hostile. I could see it as a method to resettle Ukrainian refugees under Polish/NATO protection but annexation in the classical sense would not be possible (in my opinion).

[joshuaescopete]

What if Pancho Villa had lived to be President at the end of the Mexican Revolution? Perhaps with Emiliano Zapata as head of the military.

[ottovrizo]

Poland is supposed to be betrayed, not betray others...

[Ghastly_Grinner]

Poland kinda cut Ukraine off today said they are done funding & arming them

[gajxo]

The idea of a strongly conservative Poland is overblown. The main opposition party is pro EU and relatively liberal.