The Conservative Party Is FINISHED For Good. Here’s Why. | Aaron meets Peter Oborne

The Tories are going to lose the upcoming General Election. It looks as though this loss will be their worst loss in over a century. So, how did the Conservative Party find itself in this situation? How did the so-called ‘most successful political party in the West’ lose itself?

To discuss this Aaron is joined by Peter Oborne, self-proclaimed conservative and former chief political correspondent for The Daily Telegraph.

00:00 Intro
02:36 How Did it Get so Bad for the Tories?
23:09 The Role of Strategists
28:16 Farage
38:56 Tory Heartlands Disappearing
40:53 The Media
1:00:20 Labour
1:06:42 Is This the Biggest General Election Ever?

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[kitsunewhisker]

The Tories are not finished they live on in the Labour Party

[petebateman]

Yeah, but the tories are just a vehicle though which wealth forces it's will on the population. The tories might go away but what caused the tories to be what they are is still right there, it will just shift it's influence to another party. And it already seems to be happening in Labour.

[MartianTom]

The Labour Party - in it's truest, most traditional sense - died 30 years ago.

[hatemeditations]

There's a certain naivety to this type of Conservative, the world he laments was created by the exact ideology he claims to follow, which, by his own admission, was only held together by the arbitrary decency of a few individuals. He can call out the pivot to the far right all he wants, it won't change the fact that this pivot is baked within even moderate conservatism, and if the last 5 years are anything to go by, it's incredibly easy to dismantle this vague adherence to "decency and the rule of law".

[kimspence-jones]

This decline was begun by Thatcher, it just wasn’t visible for a while.

[mishapurser]

I'm chuffed that the Tory monster is soon to be vanquished, but I'm terrified of the monster that will win the fight to take its place. I'm also terrified that the main alternative has become a monster of its own.

[stephaniemorris]

Thanks! Really interested in all of your content.

[sailyousuf]

Conservatives or not Peter Oborne is a brilliant and fair minded man with high standards RESPECT.

[vis]

Conservative Peter Oborne and Communist Aaron Bastani talking constructively. THIS is what democracy should look like.

[sisyphus]

Living here in France (where we're going through our own ructions) I find it a little ironic when people take "what's happening in France" as some kind of warning for the future. In fact, in many ways the equivalent of the French National Rally has been in government in the UK for a long time. What people like Braverman says is often harsher than the NR.

[carnivaltym]

Best interview with anyone interested in British politics I've watched in 5 years. Outstanding.

[MrPaddy]

I'm not a man of the right in any sense, but have never listened to Oborne without nodding furiously in agreement. His ability to join the dots is unparalleled in the political media.

[LuzDoSol-yrbv]

If he wouldn't tell me, I'd think Peter is actually a liberal rather than Conservative. That's how far right Conservatives actually are.

[TheIdlesurfer]

You be careful, Aaron. Too many thoughtful pieces like this and you'll be a national treasure in 20 years. This was a truly engaging piece. Peter Oborne has always been thoughtful and it is good to have a rational right winger to challenge my naturally left leaning mindset.

[keithrobert]

Britain became an oligarchy a long time ago and oligarchs abolish politics. Mr Oborne is a brilliant commentator but his comments are about 20 years out of date. Radicalized groups tend to emerge when people feel they have nowhere else to go.

[ooombasa]

We need PR asap. As much as Farage would gain from it, so would all the other smaller parties, so it's our best way to keep a party like Reform in check. Keeping to FPTP risks a merged tory x reform party taking power in 2029 or 2034. And if they take power with FPTP, we're unlikely to ever be rid of them. Not least because it will force an already tory-lite Labour to lurch ever more to the right. We need a recalibration. PR is our best chance for that.

[Redf]

Breaking Tories to form new party with Reform. New name CONFORM.

[donrayjay]

I read a book by Obourne decades ago arguing that David Cameron set a new low for political lying. How quaint in retrospect!

[wiltonmills]

Content like this is why I support Novara Media. Superb Interview!

[johnmoorefilm]

Johnson’s was no more Tory than Blair was Labour. Both extremely cynical men, whose sense of life, success, thrill and achievement came from their venal desire to be at the apex of society, rather than serving it. Both mangled language: Blair denuded it of all meaning, practically inventing a new lexicon ( “jobs” become “opportunity pathways”, “welfare” becomes “support” - and thus immune to metrology - and state employees hired to carry-out specific functions like Citizens Aid or old-age care became “support networks” - again, we see the deliberate and ablative choice to soften, to blur…and thus, to shift responsibility and cost. Johnson, therefore was subsequently able to deploy an anti-language to counter all of this (as he might say) : guff. It was a perfectly accommodating one-two punch and is rather sad in that it echos two class-japing tropes: Blair, the working-class (hah!) champion, “Our Lad did well, don’t he talk posh now?” And Johnson, a sort of Guy Ritchie-inspired posho barrow-boy, slumming it for kicks because he wants an edgey mate who’s a brick-layer and a meth-dealer…