Did the Fallout TV Show Just Ruin Fallout Lore?

Today we talk about the two major controversies to pop up around the Fallout TV Show. One which claims that certain dates shown in the Fallout TV Show make the fan favorite Fallout: New Vegas non-canon. And other claims about the NCR being destroyed.

Timestamps:
00:00 – Did Fallout lore just get ruined?
01:48 – New Vegas Retcon
06:29 – The Show Messed Up
09:50 – The NCR Are Gone
13:36 – NCR in Season 2


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Author - TheParryGod13

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[TyrannicalKitty]

I don't think the guys wearing the ranger armor were actual NCR rangers. They simply could've just scavenged the armor after the bomb fell.

[AKlover]

It will be interesting to see McLean arrive in New Vegas to find the Courier rather than House.

[raam]

What makes more sense to me is that the show runners are simply not that good.

[nobody]

Patrolling the comment section almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[thanatos]

shady sands is between vaults 13 and 15 and as far as i know the fallout tv series takes place soley in the L.A boneyard we never see the hub or other cities that appear in fallout 1 and 2

[bro]

doesnt maximus straight up say “the bombs dropped 12 years ago” to lucy? lucy is confused at first bc obviously the great war was 200+ years ago, but then its revealed maximus was talkin about shady sands. that places the bombs falling ~2284, three years after new vegas

[alsaiduq]

Another weird thing is how they didn't mentioned the Boneyard despite being so close to Vault 33. You would think they would at least pass-through The Boneyard because the show takes place in LA. Not to mentiont to New Reno, The hub, Necropolis, etc

[VemoNotRated]

NCR has 700k people in it
And I am supposed to buy that losing their capital of 30k people is supposed to retcon the entire NCR? absolutely stupid

[InvitalPulse]

The Shady Sands stuff is a little messy, but overall it was a good show.

[chanzzie]

I dont agree with the idea that Bethesda hates Fallout New Vegas.

But them destroying most of the things they didnt come up with (Shady Sands and New Vegas) Isnt helping.

[CelestialCaesar]

So why's Shady Sands now in LA instead of Death Valley?

[Coconut-]

"Fallout was always badly written"
"You're just stupid"
"Stop thinking about it its just a videogame"

[arachnid]

My issue wheres the enclave, they had this whole facility lost a scientists and tech and didnt send out teams to come collect the doctor? Why is the enclave back? Why didnt the legion come back to take the area simce no NCR control in the region ?

[AresdarkKaOs]

So if Todd didn't create it, nuke it? The brotherhood, who struggled to hold D.C. and Boston simultaneously flew their airship across over 2000 miles of wasteland uncontested, beat the NCR, and now become the defacto power? The NCR, who have power armor, vertibirds, anti-material rifles, thousands of troops, artillery, and logistic lines all through California, just kinda gave up, said 'eh? What does it matter that our seat of power was destroyed and our oldest enemies have returned? Let's just call it good enough.' None of this is to mention how New Vegas got destroyed by deathclaws of all things. I could accept Vegas being damaged by the NCR, worn down by the Legion, and even attempted sackings by the Brotherhood, but not its total destruction considering its martial strength at the hands of Mr. House. It just feels like Todd Howard couldn't retcon New Vegas, so he destroyed it to give his version of the Brotherhood the spotlight yet again, again, again.

[leggonarm]

I could forgive the destruction of Shady Sands. But the destruction of New Vegas as well? Next, you'll tell me the NCR is completely gone. Gotta love Bethesda just destroying all of Fallout they didn't create, so petty.

[maxberner]

I think the big Problem is the complete lack of real NCR Controll, if as you said the Capital of the NCR was moved away from Shady Sands before the Nuke the entire NCR Government, Congress and Military Command would have survived, and the NCR would have lost 35k out ouf over 1 Million People this for me doenst justify that the only NCR Group we see are like some Militias without proper Uniform and Weaponry. The NCR should still have a strong presence in L.A. considering the Boneyard is an Important and Large Settlement as well as the BoS ist seemingly reemerging out of hiding and fighting for controll in California. This would realisticly fully reignite the NCR-BoS War and we would see entire NCR Battalions fight the BoS with Anti-Tank Weapons, NCR Rangers and Regular Infantry as seen in New Vegas not some random Militias were there one old Lady swinging the NCR Flag. I think the Problem is that Bethesdas Vision for Fallout is one of eternal stagnation after the Great War, were Civilization doenst begin again and instead there is an eternal lawless Wasteland which doenst work with the NCR in Place, and of course they want to milk the BoS with all kind of Franchise Products as they are the most recognizable Faction. But i agree that that the Fall of Shady Sands 2277 isnt the nuking and that the Nuke is a different Event. Overall i think realisticly even if Shady Sands would be destroyed there would still be a functioning NCR!

[Andonios]

“War never changes” does not mean it is a good idea to just constantly have the setting in a state of low level wasteland society. Of course having more complex cultures and government structures is much harder to write than the former.

[CelestialCaesar]

In history, we don't use the term "fall" to describe the *start* of something collapsing, the word for that is "decline".
Rome *fell* in 476, it's *decline* began around 400.

This particular retcon could be fixed if they had written "decline" instead.

[arandomgamer]

Update on Fallout New London. I saw in an article that the new mod will be DELAYED until they can patch it into the new framework. They want everyone to be able to use it and some don't know how to go back to previous versions or hold off on updating so they'll delay until further notice.

[professionalgamer]

I feel as though the NCR remnants we see at the end of the show are more of a splinter cell of a larger remaining faction. It seems like they consist of those perhaps unwilling to give up on Shady Sands, with their leader willing to go to some very morally questionable decisions (such as working with raiders) to achieve their somewhat un-realistic goals. It's quite possible there's a much bigger NCR presence regrouping somewhere like The Hub.