What Do We Get Wrong About The Gender Pay Gap?

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[anjolatope-babalola]

With models its women status
With sports its sexism

Got it

[lilslice]

6:52 - That blew me away when she claimed the NBA gets more views than the WNBA because of sexism... wtf?? It's literally just because it's better basketball. Some ppl do anything to claim moral high ground.

[alexbstrother]

I applaud you for being able to keep a straight face without at least smiling at how dumb that answers are to your questions

[Samantha-joim]

Absolutely love your videos. As a women in STEM I can say that I get paid the exact same as my male counterparts. That being said, whether is biological or just a personal preference, they tend to take home more because they choose to work LOtS of overtime where I’d much prefer to work my 8 hours and go home. At the end of the day I don’t complain about a “pay gap” because it’s my choice and there is no way in hell I’m working 60 hr weeks 😂

[ahetzel]

As a male who waited tables in college, female waitresses made 2-3 times more than me in a single night. Id leave with 100-150 for the night and some girls would leave with 300-400 a night. I worked twice as hard for half the pay..

[brettanderson]

My wife and I both graduated college with a degree in Mechanical Engineering the same year. My GPA was .5 points better than her, and I passed the FE Exam while she didn't take it. Right out of college we applied for the same job, and they hired my wife. 3 years later, we both have engineering jobs, make about the same, and she is in line to be Engineering Manager at her company in the next couple months. I don't think you can say that there is a real wage gap when you compare apples to apples, which is incredibly hard to do. It is nearly impossible to get a statistically significant number of apples to apples comparisons for each distinct industry, region, and job title.

[frang]

*The gap it does exist, but not for the reasons women say.*

[britking]

I've worked in corporate America for about 20 years and work in senior management. This kind of discrimination does not exist. Let me repeat that. It does not exist. for the same job, the same performance, we want to incentivize the best candidate to perform--we don't care about gender at all. And it's ILLEGAL. I cannot emphasize that enough. Women take circumstances and impose their own biases to reach bad conclusions. The pay gap does not exist for the same level of performance in the same role. In fact, today, it's easier for women to get roles than for me because of all the backlash--I've seen more qualified men get turned down in favor of less qualified women. Women will complain that men are in more executive roles and that it isn't 50/50. But there's a lot more to that... and it has nothing to do with a pay gap for the same performance for the same role. The women's soccer thing is hilarious, because women's sport is boring and earns very little revenue.

[mustizgaming]

"Men statistically get payed more than women"
"Do you currently have a job?"
"No I don't"
oml 💀

[CosmoRyan]

I am a high school teacher, and I always want to ask "why don't girls like physics, " but a question like that would just get me in trouble.

I teach AP Physics. Each year, I have a class of 20 - 25 students, and 2 - 3 of them are girls. I have many capable, intelligent girls in my regular physics classes (and in gernal, many of them have better academic habits than the guys), but something stops them from signing up for AP Physics. As far as race goes, my AP Physics class is very diverse and is a good representation student body, but I can't say the same for gender.

[omar]

The pay gap is real. And to deny that the pay gap isn’t real, would deny the fact that men work more dangerous jobs. One of the greatest forms of male oppression is the amount of men that die in the workplace, as they take up over 90% of workplace deaths.

[gabbydhaillecourt]

I sincerely appreciate the fact that a content creator puts out content that actually explores both sides of relatively hot topics. It’s very refreshing to see.

[themore-you-know]

"Let me womansplain you how male employers think" - unemployed telepath

ALSO: immediate BS of feminism is seen right away from witnessing that nearly all discrimination discussions always start by being presented as "women have it worst", rather than a gender-equal approach.

[thesubman]

I chose to do biology in college. 63% of students graduating with a bachelors in biology or biotechnology in 2022 are women; that’s a 1.7 female to male ratio. I still see/hear about women in bio scholarships ALL THE TIME due to them being “underrepresented” in the field. It’s so blatant that it makes me sad and angry bc I’m losing opportunities. Also been told that I didn’t offer the diversity an internship was looking for (they hired 4 girls btw).

[MikeTXBC]

The problem with the whole "gender pay gap" concept is that on the surface it looks completely legitimate. However, once you dig deeper, you begin to see the cracks in the overall idea. None of this means that women can't face discrimination in the workplace, but in many cases it's less about them being women and more about individual choices within that career.

For instance, a fact brought up a lot is that "male nurses make more than female nurses." Off-hand, that sounds like textbook discrimination, but you need to stop and ask: WHY? The answer is that, on average, male nurses work longer hours, take more shifts, and are more willing to move to other locations where pay might be better (or at least there's a greater chance of upwards mobility). Does this mean there are absolutely no instances of female nurses being discriminated against? No, I'm sure it happens, but that's not the predominant factor when it comes to the wage discrepancy in this field.

Something else some women point to is that if a previously male-dominated field becomes female-dominated, the overall pay drops. They say this is because of sexism, and again, while that could be true on a case-by-case basis, the reason for this is that on average, women work fewer hours and believe more strongly in work/life balance. This means that even if the per-hour pay is equal, the women in that field will earn less because they are working fewer hours. Overtime, this becomes seem as "an acceptable pay range" and thus we see lower pay in a now female-dominated field that was once male-dominated.

I can't stress enough the "hours worked" part of the equation because it's almost always left out of the conversation, yet it's vitally important. In those situations where it's mentioned that women work fewer hours, it's side-stepped by saying "it's because women have children and want to spend time with their kids." Okay, but how is it unfair if women get paid less during that time? Having kids isn't a demand of your employer, therefore you don't get compensated for making a personal choice.

Quite often the (angry) response to this is something like: "Having and raising children is tough and important for the future!" I don't doubt it's a very difficult task and yes, kids are needed for future generations. However, none of that has anything to do with your job. If you're working 20 hours a week (because you need more time at home with your kids), why should you get paid the same amount as someone else who's working 40 hours a week in the same position? That's not even taking into account the overtime (which is often unpaid, but in some cases is paid) expected from employees who don't have kids to cover for those employees with kids.

And finally, jobs that seem similar or equal are often compared without looking at the details. For instance, there was a study a while back that said "female doctors earn less than male doctors, and fewer patients die to female doctors than male doctors." Here's the problem: the study didn't differentiate between what specialization that doctor had. In other words, they examined female family doctors/general practitioners to male heart surgeons, among other lopsided comparisons. This is how they came to the conclusion that male doctors out-earn their peers and how more patients die under the care of a male doctor, because of course a heart surgeon is going to earn more than a family doc/GP and of course more patients will die during surgical procedures than patients who're simply visiting their doctor to renew a prescription or get a form to take a blood test.

So is there a wage gap? Maybe on a personal, case-by-case basis, but on a macro level, there's no wage gap unless you ignore pertinent data specifying why these differences occur. And many who fervently argue that a wage gap exists and that it's all due to sexism either willfully ignore this data or are ignorantly parroting key points without understanding the full scope of what's happening. In either case, the facts are being twisted to fit a specific narrative.

[crestinglight]

I find it interesting she says, "If I were to ask for a raise, that would affect whether I can stay there, as compared to a [male] coworker." So, you haven't asked.
A lot of times women anticipate discrimination and don't even try out of fear, then blame discrimination for where they have ended up. Often, it isn't them, it's you.
Note: I'm a woman in STEM. I get treated exactly the same as my male counterparts.

[jalen_hollis]

There is definitely a pay gap, but not at all for what people are told there is. Good video man and I appreciate your non-bias approach.

[greenisnice]

The pay gap exists for cornstars, but it's for the exact same reason with athletes and drama stars like Kardashians. Men love sports. Women love drama.

[Ripa-Moramee]

The gender pay gap is arguably the best example of the equity fallacy, where a statistical disproportion is not necessarily the result of discrimination, but it is shown and told to be. I wonder how much longer and how many more times this needs to be disproved before people stop referring to it as discrimination within in the workplace and quite simply, is finally acknowledged as all the factors that result in the disproportion.