Kohberger + BTK: Serial Killer’s Daughter Speaks to Mindhunter Dr. Ann Burgess & Dr. Gary Brucato

What’s up #STSNation,

Welcome to a very special edition of Surviving The Survivor …we bring you the #BestGuests in all of True Crime…

And then there are days we out do ourselves and go a level higher.

This is one of them … introducing BTK's daughter ... Kerri Rawson.

Please know the conversation you’re about to hear comes against the backdrop of the recent arrest of Bryan Christopher Kohberger who police say is responsible for the gruesome quadruple homicide of the so called Idaho 4 …

Let us never forget those young lives lost way too soon: Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.

WE WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT BRYAN KOHBERGER IS PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW

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In 2005, Kerri Rawson heard a knock on the door of her apartment. When she opened it, an FBI agent informed her that her father had been arrested for murdering ten people, including two children.

It was then that she learned her father was the notorious serial killer known as BTK, a name he’d given himself that described the horrific way he committed his crimes: bind, torture, kill.

As news of his capture spread, Wichita celebrated the end of a thirty-one-year nightmare.

For Kerri Rawson, another was just beginning.

She was plunged into a black hole of horror and disbelief. The same man who had been a loving father, a devoted husband, church president, Boy Scout leader, and a public servant had been using their family as a cover for his heinous crimes since before she was born.

Everything she had believed about her life had been a lie.

Written with candor and extraordinary courage, A Serial Killer's Daughter is an unflinching exploration of life with one of America’s most infamous killers and an astonishing tale of personal and spiritual transformation.

For all who suffer from unhealed wounds or the crippling effects of violence, betrayal, and anger, Kerri Rawson’s story offers the hope of reclaiming sanity in the midst of madness, rebuilding a life in the shadow of death, and learning to forgive the unforgivable.

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The interview is moderated by Ann Wolbert Burgess an internationally recognized pioneer in the assessment and treatment of victims of trauma and abuse.

You know the super successful Netflix show Mindhunters about the FBIs first days of criminal profiling — she worked with the real-life agents the show is based on.

Dr. Burgess is author of A Killer by Design: Murderers, Mindhunters, and My Quest to Decipher the Criminal Mind.

Dr. Gary Brucato is the other moderator and is presently a Visiting Scholar at Boston College, where he collaborates with Drs. Ann W. Burgess and Victor Petreca on forensic research.

They have examined crimes, such as murder, including serial killing; sex offenses; mutilation and dismemberment; and the insanity defense. 

Dr. Brucato is a member of Dr. Burgess’ Super Sleuths group, in which experts from diverse forensic disciplines convene to provide consultation on various cold cases.

He’s the co-author of The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime

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Let us never forget those young lives lost way too soon: Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.

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[deborahschoen]

I was a victim of an attempted murder by my military husband November 4, 1989. He pushed me off a balcony at an Embassy Suites hotel in Kansas. I have PTSD, and will always have it.
I admire you so much for speaking about this. I found that when I tried to speak about it, people didn’t want to hear it. I’m finally in a good place that I’m writing a book about my experience.
Love your show.

[inquiringmind]

Kerri has given me a fuller understanding of the family members of a perpetrator, as well as the perpetrator himself. She is pulling back the proverbial curtain on this type of horrifically tragic deaths and educating the public in the process. I applaud her vulnerability and courage. Kerri's an incredible young woman❣️

[ButterPawsKitty]

The first thing that blew me away is that Dr. Burgess is 86 years old! Unbelievable! Thank you Joel for having Kerri on your show. Not only is she intelligent and interesting to listen to, but in a way she's the teacher teaching the teachers.

[annetjievz]

My heart aches for her, but I also sincerely wish that she realises how inspiring she is. Most of us are surviving some sort of trauma and her bravery is giving hope to so many of us.

[zenamen]

This channel is excellent! Kerri is a priceless gem to have as a guest, revealing that forgiveness is necessary. Dr. Burgess & Dr Brucato are super guests with great empathy to fuel this difficult discussion in a positive way.

[nanapam]

I read Kerri’s book and I have wished that I could tell her that I wish I could be her friend. It breaks my heart that she has had to endure the trauma of knowing her father is BTK. Thank you for giving her a voice on your channel. I can feel the hurt in her voice. She is also a victim of her father’s crimes, as her mother and brother are. I pray that healing will continue in their hearts and lives.

[hannahcartledge]

Kerri's input is so valuable. Bit short sighted of the cop who said her whole life was a lie. Her experiences with her father were real and their relationship from her perspective was real. So much can be learned from Kerri speaking up. Thanks Kerri!

[ACL]

Dr. Ann B didnt speak much here, but when she did, she asked precisely THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. Wow. What a mind! We need to figure out how to help people who have gone through things Kerri has been through, and the only way to do that is through listening to them. Keep talking, Kerri! I know you dont see it-- heros are the last to know-- but you ARE a pioneering hero!

[heavenstobetsy]

This is literally one of the best interviews I have ever seen. Kerri is an amazing person and the compassion shown to her by everyone on panel was extremely heartwarming. So many terrific questions and points made. What a great idea to include Kerri as a partner in future work with Dr Garry and Dr Burgess as she has so much to offer and a huge asset. Prayers to all families. 🕊️

[johndogwater]

What an extraordinary, honest, powerful person she is. It's so unfair that her father burdened his own daughter with the life she's had to live. So much respect for her.

[trevizolga]

PLEASE give her our thanks. Kerri is an incredible woman who is helping others understand trauma and heal. Thank you! - O. in Northern California

[julieo]

Hearing Kerri describe the incident with the table breaking is exactly how I describe my father’s temper. The darkness of the eyes is spot on. In my childhood we all knew that the rage was coming because he literally looked like a different person. We always said “he’s getting ready to go into one, ” and typically it was a few days after the exploding rage would happen. It was almost worse in the days before because we were terrified of being the target. Then afterwards he would act like nothing happened. So disturbing and impossible for me to explain to anyone who has never been in a family like that.

[Realitycheck-ok]

Kerri was so powerful to me! I could feel her pain and struggle. I think we all should be grateful that she’s trying to be so strong and help other while dealing with her own trauma. I’m baffle when I hear that people want to attack her. Thank you Kerri for telling us your side as a survivor of your father bad deeds. I can tell she really cared about the people lived her dad took away!

[treeze_it]

I think Kerri is making such a difference and it will continue exponentially!! She is balancing the scales against serial killers effects. Kinda taking the steam off of their infamy. She’s gifted, honest, and definitely helping the world. I’m sure she is an amazing mom, daughter, sister, wife and friend. Her emotional intelligence is off the charts. Hugs to her mama who must also be a tremendous empath. Prayers and love. ❤

[maryjanegarver]

God Bless you, young lady. I DATED the nephew of the man who murdered my husband, unbeknownst to us. I got an insight to his uncle's mental illness and ot helped me SO much. That is your purpose. You are an angel. You have helped me cry, something I haven't been able to do as I had to be strong for our girls. You've saved MY life! Keep up your vital work, Carrie!!!

[ACL]

When the FBI comes to the door to tell you your Dad is a serial killer, there should be an experienced psychologist/trauma expert there right next to the FBI agent, on the spot. That person should be responsible for keeping in touch with the family and provide services and recommendations for as long as the family needs or wants it. That need really came through in Kerris story.

[brigette_m]

Your vulnerability is absolutely astounding, Kerri. You will always remain a light in my heart. Thank, YOU! ❤

[marietjiehildebrandt]

As an abuse survivor Kerri, may your light continue to shine into the dark corners. You inspire, motivate and impart hope. Thank you.

[LanaK]

Thank you for letting her speak despite the pressure of live show and all. I am sensing that it was therapeutic for her to speak and be heard. I hope that she realizes how much of a gift it was for listeners to have her on a show. Our host, Dr Gary and Dr Ann were all rock stars as usual ❤

[haliec]

Thank you Kerri, we appreciate you and never stay silent. Evil festers in the dark so keep speaking up.
I’ve had 2 sadistic men in my life who enjoyed seeing my pain. One tried to strangle & beat me and I still struggle to heal from that trauma so I can’t even imagine how you get through, I think you are amazingly resilient and brave. I still hope for my abuser to find some humanity but deep down I know he will hurt someone else and I can’t stop it, I had him convicted just so it’s on record but it won’t stop him. I struggle with knowing that.
I wish for you to find peace ❤ so much love, empathy, compassion & learning on this podcast. The holes may never heal but you can make it through because you are such a beautiful person. So grateful.
You’re here for a reason Kerri ❤️