Jeremiah 29:11 does not apply to you!

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I agree that the exact verse literally doesn't apply to us. But in essence, it reflects the character of God. That God has a plan for his children, to prosper them and not to harm them, to give them hope and a future. In other words, God has something good in store for his children, because he is good. He give you bread instead of stone. He is a good God. No eye has seen no ear has heard no mind has ever conceived what God has prepared for those who love him

josiahtejeros
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I agree that it’s critical to recognize the immediate context and interpreting light of that. But Scripture also tells us that the Old Testament is there to be an example for us, so there are applicable concepts and truths we can derive from it’s words that apply to us today. That’s why we have it. We just have to be careful to not get into “creating” meanings of our choice that aren’t intended. And we don’t create new doctrines off of it.

mikef
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Of course that specific message was intended to a particular group of people many centuries ago, but the concepts expressed therein can still be applied to all of God’s children even today. Does God have a plan for those who love Him? Of course. Does God present a hope and a future for His children? Absolutely, as Jesus Himself attested to many times in the Gospels. Does God love us? Immeasurably more than we could ever fathom. So I get what Frank is getting at, but I feel it’s a little misleading to just generalize the entire verse as being entirely inapplicable.

sethwallace
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Even though I agree Jeremiah 29:11 is taken out of context, I still believe God has a plan for our lives. How can He not? Any thoughts??? 🤔

mikeramos
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Whoever is reading this and you feel betrayed, used by people and not recognized. God knows. Dont get upset. Rejoice for your reward awaits continue doing good and leave the rest to God

gracemorganspeaks
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Best internet meme on this, "I can do all things through a verse taken out of context."

realitywins
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I have heard that (Jeremiah 29:11 is not for you!) for many years. I was really down at one point in my life and I remember seeing that verse written out on a wall plaque one day and remembering what I have always heard in videos like this one, "this is not about you!". I prayed to the Lord and told Him that I wished it *was* for me. I wished that *was* true. Later, maybe a few days later, I pulled out a journal I had purchased a year or two before that had different verses written on every page. I opened it up randomly just to thumb through it and Jeremiah 29:11 was written on the page I landed on. I felt a lump in my throat as if God were saying...this *is* for you. I thought to myself, maybe...probably just a coincidence. I then flipped further through the journal and looked down onto a new page....the same verse stared back at me. Now my eyes began to well with tears. It can't be I thought. So I thumbed through a few more pages and looked down at yet another page....Jeremiah 29:11 staring up at me yet again. Tears rolling. You can say whatever you want *but I know* that God has said otherwise.

boltingpuppies
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My favorite passage in the Bible is Revelation 22:21...

"The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen."

The last is first for me. 😊

vhagerty
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I agree that scripture from the Old Testament doesn’t directly apply to us today of course, but sometimes he uses those scriptures to speak to us today through the Holy Spirit.

jonathanreid
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Jer.44:11 does apply to us.

Didn't Jesus say: "Do you think I came to bring peace?! I came with a sword!"
He came to destroy the works of the Devil and as much of those works as are found in us, He is out to destroy.
He also came to fulfill The Law which commands destruction of unrighteousness.
Thanks to Him this is now a voluntary destruction of the unrighteousness in our hearts if and as we choose to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Him.

pescatoralpursuit
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"You never see that stitched into a pillow!"

Jptotalfitnessny
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*Jeremiah **29:11** is ALWAYS Gods intention for his people...it is consistent throughout the Bible. From Abraham to Isaac Jacob and Solomon. Every promise of God is yes and amen. If Christ has reconciled us to Gods blessing since Abraham and every good intention of God by grace through faith counted as righteousness, then Jeremiah **29:11** does still apply to us!* obedience in faith and receiving the gift of salvation is the key.

wealthy
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It's amazing how our intelligence shows our imperfections. The way he spoke this was like a parent telling a child, "This is not for you!" That's like trying to say of God speaking "I don't have plans for you, or care to prosper you!" Don't add or take away from the Scriptures? The Scriptures in the Old Testament were written as our schoolmaster. I am not an apologist, nor an expert in exegesis or hermeneutics. It is only by the Spirit of the Lord I gain understanding of the heart of God towards His people, and of His nature and character through much of what is described and expressed in the Old Testament. He has given His holy Word in the Old Testament as an example for us. They are part of what was given for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. It describes His plans for salvation which does matter to me. It describes how God engaged the sins of His people for correction of humanity which does concern me. It displays His intentional desire to relate to and bless His people of which I am a part in the church. It is crystal clear that God was speaking to Jeremiah in this text. As our God, Creator, Lord, Redeemer, we are privileged to learn of God's love and character in instructing and disciplining our nature to call us to Him to become transformed as new creations in Christ Jesus. This example of how God interacted with Jeremiah shows us the care He can and does extend to us who learn to love and submit to His authority. I would love to hear and do sense by Holy Spirit the intimacy God shared with Jeremiah in this text, the intimacy of relationship, of plans and purposes, that He has for my life. Let's not let our intellect get in the way of the intimate relationship we are to have with our heavenly Father through Holy Spirit by the grace we've been given of Salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Blessings.

lavernehudson
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I love Frank, but I thinks he's off on this one. He makes some great points, but I think where he falls short is that he seems to be approaching a God-breathed, living word from merely an intellectual and critical perspective. We can identify the "STOP" of the text, give an analysis of the context AND recognize that the same God who had good plans for his people then has not changed. Of course we have to guard against those who would abuse the text for profit, but there's no reason to restrict God's good plans for his people to the past. I've seen other preachers make similar statements about David's words, shouting "YOU'RE NOT DAVID" to people comparing the "giants" in their lives to his defeat of Goliath. If we apply this across the board though, we rob the scripture of so much power to heal, encourage, inspire and communicate God's heart towards his people. For example, we'd have to stop saying that God's grace is sufficient for us when we face trials. He wasn't taking to us, he was talking specifically to Paul. To use Frank's words, that statement was descriptive and not necessarily prescriptive. Paul was merely describing his message from God, not overtly saying that we get that same grace. Yet we know that Paul's words were both descriptive and prescriptive, since the same grace that was sufficient for him is available to us. We can't claim Psalm 23...David said the Lord was HIS shepherd, not ours. Everything about that Psalm was personal and we would have to view it as an exhibit, not as an experience that we can share with David as we are led by the same shepherd. Ironically the same thing applies to Frank's other example from Jeremiah 44:11, where God tells Judah he will destroy them for turning their backs to him and burning incense to other gods in Egypt. Frank made a funny point that no one puts that in a greeting card or on a pillow, but don't we use verses just like this one to warn against idolatry and rebellion? If Frank is 100% right here (he's not completely wrong) anyone we present verses like this to jas every right to dismiss us and say that it wasn't talking about them. But if God's view of sin stays the same, why would his plans to do good expire? Of course, we need to balance this and always keep eternity in view. Obviously if you're Peter getting crucified upside down, your "hope and future" is now completely in heaven. So then, that verse doesn't exempt us from suffering. But it does put suffering in perspective. Just my thoughts on this.

AGPollardMinistries
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I disagree:

For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.
II Corinthians 1:20 NKJV

For those who are Christians (Jews by circumcision of the heart Romans 2:28-29) the promises of God in/through Jesus are YES and AMEN. They are for us indeed.

NateAndreica
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Thank you Lord for your grace and mercy. It is sufficient 💕

Marixpress
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But it doesn't take away that God still has Plans for me for Hope and a Great future..

The Lord is my Salvation whom shall I be afraid..💯

lkerntion
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I'm 29 & just found out I have most definitely been living in Babylon my entire life. You're screaming because it's not for you. I'm smiling because it speaks to me.

dawaynapayne
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LOL That bit about the pillow was pretty good Frank. "I WILL DESTROY YOU" - Jeremiah 44:11 LOL

brando
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Though Jerimiah 29:11 was written in the Old Testatment, the message still applies today . God knows the plan he has for you irregardless of who you are, where you are, when you are born , the situation you are in now, etc as long as you are a human being . He has plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future . I am concerned when the speaker said Jerimiah 29:11 does not apply to us today . This is so dangerous . He should explain more, or does he truly believe what he said, etc ? I am not sure . Anyone who is really serious about seeking / finding God will find out for themselves this verse applies to us today . Continue reading 29:12-13 and the whole message will be self-explanatory . The only thing I think may be different is the word “ prosper “ in Jerimiah 29:11 . When it was spoken / written to the Israelites in the OT, I think the meaning is literal, as it is . Now to us, it may not be . God does not promise he will make all those who seek him with all their hearts rich . “ Prosper “ also may have a figurative meaning . It may also mean God will bless you with loving relationships with your family members, your relationship with God will be very intimate and close, you will win a lot of souls for Christ, etc .All these are also a form of prosperity . This is my take on this subject .

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