Bible Mandela Effect #2

We are living in an alternate timeline...

The Mandela Effect is a phenomenon where a large group of people remember a particular event or fact differently from how it actually occurred. One example of the Mandela Effect is related to the Bible's Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Many people remember the name of the fourth horseman as Pestilence, who is often associated with disease and plague. However, the actual name of the fourth horseman is Conquest, who is associated with victory and triumph. This discrepancy in memory has led some people to believe in the existence of alternate timelines or parallel universes, where different events and facts take place. Despite the explanation behind the Mandela Effect being largely attributed to flawed memory, it remains an intriguing and popular topic for discussion.

[pintpullinggeek]

Pestilence retired in 1936 muttering something about penicillin.

[Apologies to Terry and Neil]

[thegreatandterrible]

This is actually very explicable. People who were using the Four Horsemen as characters thought War and Conquest were too similar, so they started using Pestilence as an alternative.

Conquest was at one point thought to be Jesus, but he is the lamb who opens the seals, so that's not possible. The most common modern interpretation is that Conquest is the conquest of false prophets.

[facundonicolasperez]

I always remembered them by saying the following:
Conquest brings war. War brings famine. Famine brings death.

[ixelhaine]

"Conquest" was historically considered to represent religious & political corruption. If a fitting piece of self fulfilling prophecy, religious & political leaders didn't like the idea of teaching their followers that the leaders could be corrupt, & so focused on a later line about plagues to reinterpret the warning.

[isaacbunch]

In The Binding of Isaac, the Four Horsemen are War, Death, Famine, and Pestilence. You later unlock 'a forgotten horseman', Conquest.
I love this nod to the actual fact.

[thomasfrye]

Meanwhile in good omens: “Pestilence muttering about penicillin, had retired in 1936.”

[chimericalical]

Pestilence is something that often appears in other works of fiction because war and conquest are often said to sound too similar. So some people have changed conquest to pestilence.

[superpilotdude]

If i remember correctly, in rev 6, the horsemen aren't named besides death. They are just given a description of what they do. "he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest"

[DaltonHBrown]

Conquest is the first horseman. Death is the last one. The text says "I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth." So pestilence is there in the text, but not a specific horseman.

[Mortiel]

The correct answer is: None of them are named save Death (4th). The other three are *interpreted* to mean Conquest (1st), War (2nd), and Famine (3rd).

[Setsuraful]

"The horns blow, behold, the four horsemen of semantics!"
"Actually those are bugles"

[charlescannon]

I'm pretty sure Death is the only one named, and pestilence was a renaming.

[decem_sagittae]

In Romanian translation and interpretation the white horse is conquest (he was given a crown and went forth as a conqueror to conquer); the red horse is war (he has the power to take away peace from the earth); the black horse is famine and inflation ("a measure of wheat for one dinar, three measures of barley for one dinar"); and the yellowish/greenish horse is Death explicitly named so in the text. He "kills with the sword, with hunger, with plague and with the beasts of the earth".

[haidynwendlandt]

The reason why Conquest and War are different horsemen is because Conquest represents specifically taking over the world under false pretenses, the conquest of false prophets and of false kings, War in this context is the absence of peace. So conquest is an unrightfully ruled world and war is one with no peace. Pestilence was viewed as the fourth horse as it was one of the Plagues of Egypt and allowed for a distinct enough difference between War and the first horse

EDIT: As well, the horsemen come in order, consequentially. Conquest is first, when unrightful rulers and false prophets come into power, which brings War, the world devolves into chaos, this chaos and war brings Famine, as the resources are overused by soldiers and fighters while not being produced by farmers due to war, which brings the final horse: Death

[Ozone]

Thank you Chainsaw Man for making sure I will never forget about the last horsemen

[MeridaEllaSinnottDBurtram]

Ok, this is the third Bible mandela effect I've had this year.

[fishstickbye]

If I recall, Famine is misinterpreted as well. Usually it’s depicted as a plague destroying food supplies, but Famine carries a set of scales, and is more about poverty and inflation causing restricted access to food

[InvaderAlex]

Thanks Chainsaw Man for teaching me this

[klausoshaunacey]

Binding of Isaac taught me many things. One of them is that conquest is the original fourth horseman

[tenguD]

The Four Horsemen is an idea that I’ve always been super interested in, especially after playing Darksiders as a kid. Have known Conquest is the fourth, but Pestilence is always remembered.