Was The Trinity Made Up By The Council Of Nicea?

Jesus is the central figure linking both Testaments and linking with both the Father and the Spirit. This is where Trinitarian theology comes from. Not from proof texts like the Great Commission, even though those are important, they echo the point. But the theology of it comes from the Old Testament. You have people like Bart Ehrman, and these other Jesus mythers and Ehrman is not a Jesus myther. But I'm using Ehrman because of his criticism of Christology, claiming that this theology of Christianity was invented by later church councils basically out of thin air, and that New Testament attestations to Jesus's deity were written late, just added arbitrarily. Both of those ideas show a deep profound ignorance of the Old Testament. The antecedent for all of this. Check this out!

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[aliceafournier]

Having being exposed to "oneness" doctrine early in my adult Christian walk it has taken me years of unlearning what I was taught. Dr Heiser teachings have been so helpful to me.

[masteryliving]

Dr. Michael S. Heiser
It is his theology that got me interested in the OT. I struggled to understand my place in Faith because I had many questions. Studying YHWH's interaction with humanity from a biblical, Hebrew, and Aramaic perspective gave me hope. He, along with other theologians, led me to seminary. Not because I wanted to be a preacher but to be exposed to the enormous body of knowledge about a God who chose to redeem His creation. Powerful stuff. May he rest until our LORD returns.

[elina]

I get goosebumps thinking about how the Angel of God stopping Abraham from kiIIing Isaac was Jesus himself in his pre-incarnate form, knowing it's going to be him instead 🥺

[kriswiwatowski]

All your teaching Dr Heiser brings so much healing. There is so much that I believed intuitively that you justify by solid Biblical knowledge. It helps a lot.
Thank you.

[johnzz]

Trinity in one verse of OT

“Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me.””
— ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[kimjensenable]

Thanks Mike. I love these profound snippets of earlier teachings. If anyone is like me...forgetful...then they will also appreciate these beautiful nuggets of truth to help us remember to remember. All I can say is; "More!"

[swiftlytilting]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I don't find it confusing at all to contemplate God as being multifaceted and working in this earthly realm in a manner of ways...God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, The Angel of God....He's indescribably powerful and awesome!

[RomanVasylenko]

I love this explanation. God of Old Testament and New Testament is the same YHWH, YHWH revealed as the Savior (Yeh-shua) and Ruakh haKodesh!

[ChrisMusante]

This is because Isaiah - being a prophet - understood what THE 'son of man' is; and is the reason why Jesus always referred in the 3rd person to... 'the' son of man.

The 'son of man' is the 'spiritual gateway' or 'door' that is the 'access point' of a relationship with 'God'.

Jesus asks, "will the son of man find faith when he returns?", and again as always, in a 3rd person context, and accurately so as Jesus was referring to the 'spirit' that must be obeyed (by faith) in order to 'hear' the commands of God.

Notice in Ezekiel 2, where God says, 'son of man, STAND and I will speak with you.", and it is at this point that the spirit 'enters' Ezekiel and 'sets him on his feet'.

This is also demonstrated in the verses that speak of the Armor of God... whereby possessing (through work, study, and knowledge) one can build their spiritual 'armor', that they would be able to 'stand'... or to say, 'not lose faith', because of tribulation amd testing.

[jgamez]

This is great Dr. Heiser, thank you !

[canadiankewldude]

*_God Bless All who Believe and may the Lord open the eyes of many in Jesus of Nazareth's name, Messiah of all humanity._*

[BillTony]

Thanks for this teaching. The previous verse, Isiah 63:9 gets my attention to study as well. It uses the expression "the angel of his presence." To me this feels like another expression of "the Angel of the Lord." The angel of the Lord allowed people to worship Him whereas other angels would say don't worship me, I am not the Lord.

[lcenteno]

“If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts:” (Psa. 94:8)

I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest “Christian” religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen:

“At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21)

“Truly I tell you, ” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3)

Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Are you willing to be humble and be like a child? Take the test yourself and find out.

The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to test yourself?

Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said:

Open your Bible (most won’t), go to the gospel of John and read John 1:1-3 as it is written:

In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.” (John 1:1-3)

Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?

Having established that BOTH the Father AND the Son ARE GOD from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?

Take the time to actually read the cited verses yourself just like the Holy Spirit instructed me. Most will not and be too lazy to read the truth of the Bible for themselves.

The Holy Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked by the word of God. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal as the trinity doctrine claims?

Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone would continue to believe in a lie after the truth has been revealed with the preponderance of overwhelming biblical evidence? Ripping the band aid off hurts, doesn’t it? But, “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32).

So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or did you fail the 5th grade test? If you failed it and still believe in the trinity doctrine created by men and not God, go to your Bible and read John 8:47. That is the harsh reality for you my friend.

Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere! Forget about Acts 5:3-4 as the Spirit will debunk this false teaching too with Bible verses to counter what so called “modern Christianity” believes.

Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly, Christ by his very statement of fact said they are NOT co-equal! This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who on earth would dare call Christ a liar? It’s sheer foolishness!

How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel and letters of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it?

The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need another Spirit in the Godhead if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. The Father and the Son own it and they sent it (John 16:15). The Spirit is a servant, just like you and me, not God!

Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Spirit of God, the Spirit/angel of the Lord, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh.

Read Hebrews 1:7 and Psalm 104:4. Now go to the Book of Acts and read Acts 2:1-4 (The Coming of the Holy Spirit). This isn’t hard to figure out. Still can’t see?

Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9).

Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon/evil spirit that belongs to Satan (Rev. 12:7), then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16).

Think about it, if the Holy Spirit was a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have him? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? Can you see how foolish this world’s wisdom is? The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written:

“Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10).

The words “their angels” (holy spirits) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39). This is God’s gift of grace (Acts 2:38).

Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is solely based on the word of God (John 17:17)

It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men.

Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment, a spiritual law of God’s coming kingdom (Rom. 7:14, Rev. 11:19) by creating your own god made up in the mythology and eisegesis of men.

“that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV).

Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. Again, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?

Lay down your religious pride of what you think you know about God and the Bible. Become humble before God like I did and unlearn the lies you have been taught by men. Repent and let God through the Holy Spirit teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth.

Finally, let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together:

“Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is HIS NAME, and what is HIS SON’S NAME,
If you know?

One more time, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?

Still don’t believe it? Let’s continue reading the rest of it:
“Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORD,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Prov. 30:5-6)

FACT: The word “trinity” isn’t found anywhere in the Bible as it is “added” to His word. So now ask yourself, who is the liar?

If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts!

The truth can only do one thing for us……”set you free” (John 8:32)

[leedatsit]

"Jesus mythers" lol. Love how he cut that down to size.

[keithattwood]

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said, "Let there be Light". God, The Word and The Spirit at Creation

[charlesfoster]

We can’t help but see EVERYTHING from our own very limited physical perspective...but can embrace the totally unlimited ability of our Creator to manifest himself in infinite ways, most of which are beyond our understanding and experience. Only when we take the godly role of Bride and conform to Him in all our ways with all our being do we begin to gain a spiritual understanding of just who and what our Creator really is...after He is living IN US, undistracted by sin and transformed into His likeness—something that will not be complete until He returns as King and we will be with Him and LIKE HIM, which is only possible in small measure for any human within our temporary physical existence. 🕎❤️✝️

[voiceinthewilderness]

Micah 5:2 Bethlehem Ephrathah although you are little out of you shall come One who will be King of Israel, whose going forth is from of old from everlasting.

This clearly talks of Jesus from being with God from eternity. You’re right, the deity of Jesus isn’t conjured it’s all over Old Testament.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake O sword against My Shepherd m, against the Man who is My Companion...

[DanielApologetics]

Oh yes, this oldie slogan. Like a broken record from many muslims and oneness'. Great video, Dr. Heiser!

[ronscarpa]

Excellent ... thanks Dr. Heiser ... Blessings ... Ron (Las Vegas)