How Transhumanism Seeks to Subvert our Nature | Mary Harrington

This is a clip from our upcoming podcast release with Mary Harrington. In it, she and Dr. Peterson explore the fundamental nature of humans, and whether modern technology subverts it for the worse.

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[jrd]

At over 7 minutes, perhaps the longest single question I have ever heard in an interview... And thank you for not interrupting Mary during her reply. I look forward to the whole interview.

[robertjensen]

We thought it was our ability to love that made us human,
but it turns out it was actually our ability to SELECT EACH IMAGE CONTAINING A TRUCK.

[robintropper]

I love you, Dr. Peterson, honestly and no joke. But her ability to sit quietly and patiently wait for you to actually ask your question is truly inspiring!

[TeamDiezinelli]

I learned so much from Mary and I’m just so happy that these two remarkable human beings sit together and exchange their views. Thank you for sharing

[OfThePenAndSword]

In the process of liberating ourselves we end up becoming a slave to vices diminishing the very thing that makes us human; interpersonal connection.

[AmberMcAvey]

Mary Harrington yesss!!!❤❤ I love her and the two of you together, this is going to be brilliant!

[PuyaR-pljt]

To me it’s interesting to see using the term of “love child” for the fruits of often just one night stand out & not for the ones that are the fruits of long life intimate & caring relationship, ( apparently this kind of fruits are boring to some & to them «life is too short to be spent in boredom»! )

[djameleddinebeldjehem]

The longest question ever nd not been interrupted . Hat off Mary

[stpierreorama]

A conversation with Ted Kaczynski and Jordan Peterson would’ve been something special.

[edsch]

Science can improve or worsen some human situations, but the “nature”? The work says by itself “nature”. Would be the same thing of trying to change man to woman.
We can not play God. Every time men try to do that, something ends in a tragedy.

[davidthomas]

Going off topic here but i've just got to say that is an absolutely superb suit you are wearing.

[TimBitts]

The biggest problem might be technology interferes with natural hierarchies and inter-dependent relationships. And motivation and biological reward. Take men and women: I support a woman's right to chose. In nature the female always gets the choice, who to breed with. I'm not arguing with Mother Nature. She rules. But: my body, my choice pretends the sexual equation has nothing to do with men, or the nature of the relationship & commitment to the opposite sex. I think that logic is flawed. For instance:

Since Roe vs. Wade, about 73 million abortions. But the "Morning After Pill" was about 225 Million. Marriage and human pair bonding depends on having children. No point, otherwise. To me, the main damage is, men have undergone a massive disincentive program, not to mate, not to act morally, not to marry, not to form families.

This profound mating difference between the sexes wasn't even noticed by feminists.

The feminist mating model: She avoids family during her 20s, when she evolved to have a family. Instead she focusses on her own education and economic advantage and advancement, competes with men, while trying out a variety of sexual partners. Then when she approaches 30, having used up much of the best and prettiest, youngest years on a variety of men, she finds a man and "settles down". I think she gives him a bad mating deal. And when people marry late in life, they actually can't give someone, their life. They can't make it a lifetime commitment, for the obvious reason, they have already used up a good part of their actually lifetime. You can't give away, what you already used up. This is more true for women, than men, for obvious biological reasons.

The problem is, 50% of American children are now born to single moms. So if you marry her, you enslave yourself as man, economically enslave yourself, to pay the bills, spend your life energy, work every day, paying for another man's child. This goes against most men's perception of what they want, goes against male biological interest. It's a bad biological deal, for men. It interferes with natural hierarchy and mutual inter-dependence.

Mating, trust between the sexes is plunging. The birth rate is plunging. Well, it's no wonder. We evolved for mutual inter-dependence between the genders, with women producing offspring, when young. We threw that out.

Then we gave women the vote. Naturally women voted in governments, mostly left wing, where the state became the Surrogate Husband financially, for the woman. How is that turning out? It's an experiment.

This experiment was already done, on black Americans. Starting in the 1960, we brought in The Great Society, which was cash to black women with children. Johnson did it, to get the black vote. The Great Society was a pioneer version of Black Lives Matter. At that time, black American family life was stable, despite the racism. About 80% of black homes had dads in them. Then we payed money to black single moms, incentivizing black women to not form families. Then, the fatherless black rate went from 20% to 80%...effectively replacing the black man, in the home, with disastrous social consequences. Why? This interfered with natural human inter-dependence, adding a new man into the black family.

Technology doesn't change human nature. It can just interfere with natural patterns that are time tested, workable.

[blackdog]

It exploits human psychology & neurology: being designed to be addictive and also to increase social anxiety.

[katherinebache]

As a Christian I understand the dissenters of transhumanism. But as a disabled person I see the benefits. Also, where is this line drawn? Does my power wheelchair border on transhumanistic technology? What about the metal rods and screws in my bones? What about technology such as cochlear implants, pacemakers, and nerve stimulators? This conversation, especially regarding disabled people, deserves much more nuance than it is typically given.

[JTews-vite]

I see some folks here upset you occasionally interrupt people you talk to. You can interrupt me any time you like if we ever speak and if that's all your opposition has in the grievance department I'd say that's perfectly acceptable. Thank you Mr Peterson for all you do and have done for PEOPLE!

[afringedgentian]

Dearest Dr. Peterson, I am SO happy you invited Mary on the podcast. I’ve been longing for you to do ever since I saw and enjoyed her conversation with Tammy.
It’s taking me such ages to finish your interview with Elon because it is so rich and I want to take it in, and I’m busier than a one-armed paper hanger with the kids home on vacation and needing to be fed quite constantly, and taken for walks and swims and adventures, but I will eventually finish and share thoughts. For now, here is a gentle hug
And Ruth Anne’s love.

[AdamWrightfool]

This year's challenges will undoubtedly be more difficult. Looking back, I realized that I was so focused with my portfolio that I made disastrous financial decisions for the entire preceding year. I had to pick between increasing my investments and purchasing a house. After choosing to sell my investments, I discovered that the property I had purchased required more maintenance than I had anticipated. Trying to find out how much longer I can take this is becoming increasingly difficult.

[RachelJoyCamel]

The idea of transhumanism is brilliantly explored in CS Lewis space trilogy

[zeno]

I'll comment this on every video she is in - Mary is brilliant.

[alphacharlietango]

Dr. Jordan Peterson, thank you for sharing your brilliant ideas.