Did Sauron Ever Consider Releasing Melkor From The Void?

#lotr #middleearth #morgoth

[andrewverrett]

Sauron was so afraid of the valor that he hid as far east as he could in the lands of mordor for thousands of years before even thinking about building up his strength. He made damn sure all the valor had returned to the undying lands and that middle earth was not a concern to them anymore. Then he finally started to grow his strength. Sauron would not even dream of attempting to release morgoth in fears the valor would stop him.

[Civtex]

I don’t think he considered it, he can’t…that is a different level of divinity that Sauron cannot touch

[jasonposey]

I doubt that Sauron really had much choice in the matter. Morgoth had poured his own vast power into Arda; especially into his servants. The world itself had become Morgoth's One Ring, and Sauron was as bound to his master's will as the Nazgul were to his. Even if he didn't truly desire to release his old master, he would have been driven to do so.

Gandalf tells Pippin, in no uncertain terms, that Sauron himself is "but a servant or emissary." The War of the Ring which ended the Third Age was a war of stewards - Denethor, steward to the heirs of Elendil; Wormtongue, steward of Theoden; Saruman, the treacherous steward of the Valar; Gandalf, the loyal steward of the Valar; and Sauron, the steward of Morgoth.

[dumpstermaster]

Fact is whether Sauron wanted Morgoth released or not, it was largely out of his control...

[chazzeo]

I feel like abandoning Melkor to seize leadership over his armies and territories would be precisely the kind of ambition and cunning Melkor would expect out of his top pupil.

[danielpaulmann]

He was not offered a chance to repent by the Valar. He asked for one from Eonwe but since Eonwe was a mere maiar he could not guarantee that Saurons life would be spared. Thats why he chose not to risk it. Reasonable. After the Valar got burned once by pardoning Melkor, they were perhaps not so merciful anymore. Perhaps Sauron could have been redeemed. He was just as evil as Morgoth in his way but he was not the source of all evil, unlike Melkor and it is debatable to what degree his will was his own when he served Morgoth and even after. The great order Sauron dreamed of never manifested in the slightest. He was doing Morgoths work in the second and third age, wether he intended it or not. And Morgoths ambitions had nothing to do with order and perfection. He reveled in chaos and ruination. And thats just what Sauron brought. As much as Sauron was a puppetmaster, i belive he was blind to his own strings.

[iraelliott]

Remember Sauron got the Numenorians to worship Melkor well after Melkor had been cast into the void. After Sauron's ring was destroyed he more than likely ended up back beside Melkor's side

[informedconsumer]

This feels like an A.I. generated answer(s) to a question

[GrimGrayve]

Sauron couldn’t have released Morgoth. Even if he somehow bypassed the watchful eyes of Eärendil, the Valar wouldn’t have tolerated Morgoth’s return. To be honest I doubt Sauron would’ve wanted Morgoth’s return as his own desire for power had grown tremendously since his master’s exile.

[daledelatte]

Sauron had become magnitudes greater in power than Morgoth, as he had poured out his power into his twisting of creation. When the Valar cast him into the void, he was weak as a kitten and they humiliated him by making his crown into a collar. It would have been senseless to bring back a diminished Morgoth, even Tolkien had implied as much

[thecollector]

Sauron would need access to The Doors of Night which are under countrol of The Valor. Since the world had been changed with the fall of Numenor....I am not sure Sauron would have had access to them to begin with. With all that being said; Sauron's ambition after Melkor was banished to The Void was to replace him so I would assume that with all this being said he never entertained the idea of freeing his former master from his prison.

[sunsabre]

Even with the ring Sauron is no match for the Valar.

[CyberUK]

Good video, but I highly recommend that you show the background pictures (which are great), without the words you put on the screen - the words detracted from your video, not least because a huge number of LOTR references were incorrectly spelt (for example your video references "Maya", "Ole", "Einu", "Valor" and I'm not even a minute into your video...
Even if the spelling was correct, having the words jump up on the screen would still detract from your videos.
Just positive feedback, that hopefully helps your future vids - it's clear that you put good work into this video, so don't let something like this (which was just a choice on your your part and went on after you had created an initially good video), ruin them. The art you chose & the AI narration are spot on so far....let your viewers enjoy them / your work without the distractions.
It's like creating a beautiful painting and then choosing to graffiti over the top of it before anyone gets to see it at the viewing.

[jedirayden]

Sauron COULDN'T surpass Morgoth. Sauron was a Maiar while Morgoth was not only one of the Valar, (a being of a higher order and magnitude of power than the Maiar) but he was the strongest of the Valar.

The One Ring is imbued with Sauron's essence and power... But it doesn't directly add to his power, or act as some kind of force multiplier for him. For other, lesser beings than he himself, it would certainly augment their abilities. It certainly doesn't push him higher in power than his former master though. On his hand, it's basically just his horcrux, quite honestly. Does he need it to control his greatest servants, the Nazgul? Nope, not since they became wraiths.

[prndopameme]

When it comes down to it, Sauron and Melkor had VERY different goals. While Sauron was rebellious and prideful, he was a Maiar of Aule, and desired to create and enforce order. His order. Melkor was spiteful and destructive. If he could not create, he would destroy. His goal was the corruption or destruction of all that the other Valar had created.

If he had the option (which he did not, it was out of his hands), I do not think that Sauron would have brought Melkor back.

[dad]

As a Maia he would be inferior to Nando's, a Valar. Also Mandos knows all outcomes, he cannot be surprised. He may well have considered it, it was out of his grasp.

[GeraldM_inNC]

This analysis tactfully omits the three points that demolish its conclusion:

First, Tolkien stated that Morgoth had infused his will into Sauron so deeply that Sauron could not do anything to defy Morgoth. This is stated when Tolkien narrates Eonwe's order to Sauron to return to Valinor to be judged. Tolkien said that Sauron was inclined to be cowed by the overpowering might shown by the Valar, but that the chains Sauron had placed upon him were too heavy for him to break away.

Second, Sauron allowed himself to be taken captive to Numenor, in order to convince the Numenoreans that Morgoth was the legitimate ruler of Middle Earth, whose reign had been usurped by the other Valar. If Sauron wanted to take Morgoth's place, he had no reason to be Morgoth's apostle to the Numenoreans.

Third, having convinced the Numenoreans to worship Morgoth, he convinced them to initiate a practice of making human sacrifices to Morgoth. Clearly, Sauron either believed or hoped that a sufficient number of human sacrifices could open up a way for Morgoth to escape from the void.

In view of these three facts, it is clear that Sauron always saw himself as Morgoth's steward. If he could find any way to speed up Morgoth's escape from the void, he would do it.

[ZacharyLewis-wf]

I don't think you realize how impossible it would be for him to do that. Sauron is afraid of the Valar. This is the most comedy thing I've ever heard.

[rolfandersen]

Sauron, unlike Morgoth, didnt try to rule Arda. He "only" wanted middle earth.
And no, no maia would be able to get the hold on either of the Valar.

[NobodyTheGreat]

When Sauron was in Numenor, he preached that Eru was not the true god, but that Melkor was.