Dialogues on Truth Podcast: Rupert Spira with Francis Lucille Moderated by Simon Mundie

In this much-anticipated ‘Dialogues on Truth’ podcast episode, author and broadcaster Simon Mundie moderates a delightful conversation with Rupert and Francis Lucille. They discuss a wide range of topics including non-duality, its implications, the similarities and differences between Rupert’s and Francis’s approach, and how their relationship evolved from one of student and teacher to one based on friendship.

They delve into their histories and influences, their different styles and ways of expressing the non-dual understanding, and various aspects of fundamental reality. They also explore enlightenment, the ‘hard problem of consciousness’, and the projection of perfection onto those who are considered to be so-called spiritual teachers. In fact, the two assert that rather than being considered teachers, that people view them as friends sharing truth with friends.

Timestamps:

0:00 Rupert and Francis: A Short History
5:30 The Role of Suffering: Francis Lucille
10:49 Influences: Krishnamurti
12:25 Influences: Jean Kein
22:53 The Role of Suffering: Rupert Spira
32:09 Friends, Not Teachers
35:05 How Rupert Met Francis
43:21 Understanding Based on Experience
50:46 Advaita Vedanta’s Open Secret
53:54 The Fundamental Reality of Our Self
1:00:55 What Is Enlightenment?
1:07:15 Projecting Perfection onto Teachers
1:15:09 The Evolution of Approaches to Non-Duality
1:20:45 Experiments to Remove the Belief in Separation
1:28:37 Is Consciousness Located in the Body?
1:30:37 Is the Ego a Problem?
1:34:22 Sharing the Non-dual Understanding
1:41:26 Different Ways of Expressing the Non-Dual Understanding
1:43:03 The Hard Problem of Consciousness
1:48:22 More Questions About Reality

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[vuqarcfrov]

Hoooly!!! Even one of them mentioning the other gives me joy, but now we have 2 hours video of them together!

[jugaree]

My two great heroes coming together. Awesome

[lindalangdon]

No words for the depth of appreciation of Francis and Rupert ❤

[DrawingAndPaintingMeditations]

Thank you much! My dream interview. My two favourite people.

[samanthastjohn]

Omg! Beyond words...thank you Simon for this...over the moon with joy! ❤❤❤

[dS-gt]

Its like watching an avengers version of non duality

[tylerthurman]

"Remember to tell them who it is that bears the light."

Goosebumps

[hosseinnayernia]

Straight to the heart ❤
Simon you did an exceptional job moderating. Your presence added an extra layer of sweetness and humour to this beautiful conversation.

[malaselvarajah]

finally finished watching . what beautiful ending the warmth and love seeps through every gesture and every word, thankyou Simon for bringing this beautiful collusion to us . Namaste ❤

[adawe]

💚💚💚 Thank you Simon, , , , for this wonderful Gift by having Rupert and Francis together - in such a friendly warm clear and fun atmosphere of Love.

[co-creatv]

Grateful for this dialogue. Two of my favorite beings on the planet. And thank you Simon for your perfect moderation…❤

[hughenthomas]

So blessed for this glimpse of 2 heartbeats of one heart . Humbling this me into dissolution.

[kathymiller]

Kudos and thanks to you, Simon, for getting these two amazing teachers together and for your exquisite questions and facilitation! An interview that will still be cherished long after they are gone. Such a beautiful and enlightening conversation! My soul feels nourished! One of my favorite parts: "What do you think makes someone ripe to awaken?" Frances: "GRACE." Rupert: "LOVE ...Love of Truth, Love of Reality, Love of God."

[Shefabby]

Most awaited podcast ever. Thank You ❤

[nitiarora]

It's so beautiful to see them both. I want to cry 😭 ♥

[mindfulkayaker]

I was years waiting for this encounter!! It should be thanks to the Sun Eclipse of last week

[jefffelberbaum]

My god. Finally, someone who had the guts to say that Jesus was a human being and therefore (by definition) wasn't perfect.

Fckng brilliant.

I'm obviously by no means a scholar of Christian history, so those in the know likely know many instances in the teachings where the man is shown to be just like you and and I, but never have I encountered this assertion in a public narrative.

Hallelujah!

[birthingblokes]

Simon Mundie what a great interviewer, thank you, I laughed a lot, which is a good thing lol . simon is just ordinary, I love his style and this was great thank you

[udayasankarc]

What am immense joy I experienced when I saw this video pop up on my screen 🙂

And my greedy mind wants one with Francis, Rupert and Bernado please 😻

[muslimhubclub]

Humbling to watch Rupert’s humility in front of his teacher.