This 'From Scratch' Browser Will Take On The World

People have bugged me to talk about the Ladybird browser and the work of Andreas Kling for a very long time and this is as good a time as any, just a few days ago the Ladybird Browser Initiative with plans to develop this browser into something amazing.

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[erb]

No mention of the million dollar donation. Sorry to hear your viewers are bugging you.

[wsippel]

Blink is based on WebKit, which in turn is based on KHTML, originally developed by the KDE project to display documentation. But things quickly got out of hand, KHTML was the first browser to pass the ACID test for advanced CSS, and it also had its own lightweight and fast JavaScript engine. So Apple forked it to create Safari. There was lots of drama because Apple rewrote KHTML in Objective C, didn't upstream anything and instead released their fork as a massive undocumented archive with no history or documentation. That event really demotivated the KHTML team, and the project ultimately died. And a few short years later, Google did pretty much the exact same thing to Apple, and Chrome was born.

But yeah, Servo and Ladybird are rather interesting projects. Servo has a lot more industry support and is part of the Linux Foundation, but it's fun to root for the underdog.

[wido]

Actually, some people are genuinely interested in Servo. For example, the Tauri people who want to move away from WebKit GTK as quickly as possible. In fact, most projects that want an embeddable rendering engine for the web are interested in Servo, as it's one of the few engines that were built with embedability in mind.

[billeterk]

It’s fantastic this exists. I had a look several weeks ago. Pre-alpha is fair. It ran and resolved pages but couldn’t run the JS heavy stuff I was looking at.

[fluffy_fluffinity]

Massive props to Andreas for first developing an OS and then a web browser on top of that. Nowadays the latter might actually be the harder one to build, given how much they actually have to support. Imagine them as entire operating systems on their own

[cerulityk]

There are five "magnum opus" projects I can think of right now. Browsers, due to just how many standards and features exist, and how many edge cases come with them. Operating systems, you start from quite literally nothing and have to build up everything. Compilers, requiring so much parsing and conversion, not to mention standard libraries. Emulators, which simulate an entire computer with a completely unique instruction set. And physics engines, which require probably the most math you'll come across while programming.

[L..]

With all due respect I think the reason why any corporation provides funding for a non profit is extremely important

[torspedia]

I'm looking forward to seeing how this browser develops, as we really do need another browser to break the duopoly.

[ingikjartansson]

WebKit started as a fork of KHTML, an Chrome started as a fork of Webkit

[MarkusHobelsberger]

A browser is the holy grail of software development. There's basically nothing more difficult to create from scratch.
I wish the project much success :)

[emperorarasaka]

So…the next browser wars would be Servo vs Ladybird?

[trajectoryunown]

I _just_ learned about Ladybird the other day, and I've gotta say: I'm super hopeful.
Glad to see a more popular channel talking about it. There's almost _no_ information on YouTube.

[maxmouse]

If they want to build a browser with wide adoption, the move towards using 3rd party libraries was excellent. they were able to delete 100k+ lines of code and they don't have to write a video decoder, local database etc.
Having ffmpeg sqlite etc helps a LOT.
I wish we had both (OS + browser) but it's too ambitious, I think now it has a way higher chance to become a full featured browser. Less effort to implement things and less effort to support serenity OS (which is an amazing project but it would require way too much effort).

[Its-Just-Zip]

As much as I understand that it's still really early in its life, I think you may have missed a golden opportunity to record this video using the Lady Bird browser for reading their webpage.

[mjouwbuis]

My first thought: just opensource and resurrect the Presto engine, which was the best until Opera got lazy. But on second thought, fromscratching might not be a bad idea.

[georgesb]

"bugged me to talk about the Ladybird browser" I see what you did there :)

[julioau]

Proud 'knower' of Ladybird before watching the video

[Calajese]

I'm a sucker for independent browser(Still pissed at opera for killing Presto), I knew of the OS effort and the browser but didn't know it will be available elsewhere, definitely going to keep an eye

[demipy]

Following Andreas for over 4 years now great to see these projects mature

[Your_Degenerate]

That Serenity OS screenshot looks similar to my XFCE setup. Looks nice.