How 𝘍𝘈𝘚𝘛 can we make a PS5 Pro?

ASUS sent over their new Wi-Fi 7 router, so we just HAD to see how much better it makes PS5 Pro network connectivity.

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0:00 Intro
0:48 Wi-Fi 7 explained
2:26 How Wi-Fi 7 could help
4:48 ASUS ROG Rapture GT-BE98 Pro Gaming Router
5:41 Actually using Wi-Fi 7 with the PS5 Pro
7:16 Having a dedicated network just for Gaming
10:24 Using PlayStation Portal with Wi-Fi 7
13:14 Using ROG Ally X with ASUS router
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[TheIndulgers]

10:30 The fact that Sony shipped the PSPortal with only wifi 5 shows how much they care about their customer's experience.

DF showed that BEST case they got +80ms of additional input latency on top of system latency. That is atrocious.

[hehashivemind]

Bob saying “Ice cream so good” was not on my bingo card

[MysteryMii]

13:31 I should probably note that if you're crazy enough to have 10 gig (or really anything faster than gigabit) internet, you will not get 10 gig speeds on your PS5 Pro if you plug it in to that, as it only has a Gigabit Ethernet port. If you have faster than gigabit internet and want to take advantage of those speeds, you're pretty much limited to Wi-Fi in order to do so.

[Joshua_Bee]

DB Bob is a great reoccurring character

[dantex]

It's kinda crazy to me how my technically 3rd world country has such easy and cheap access to high speed internet. I pay under 20$ per month and I get a solid 600 mb/s experience. Now, Wolf has an insane setup and sure his stuff runs much more stable. But still, with me doing next to nothing we get rather similar results

[chriskim]

In todays world of WIFI, bandwidth is almost never the problem. Its latency.

[GingerBradMan]

Moonlight and a PC running sunshine and make sunshine open emustation is the absolute best thing i've ever done. i play games through my chrome cast, my phone and my ipad more than i do at my desk now.

[staticfade]

The portal isn't a Wifi 7 device right? So I guess the benefit would be the max "output" from the PS 5 PRO would saturate what the PS Portal can receive on wifi 6.

[JerryMeehanJr]

getting close to having a wulff den logo tattooed on my ass

[Punisher]

Powerline adapters work really well, at least they do in the UK. You get ethernet reliability and wifi convenience.

[just]

Most of those big bandwidth numbers don't matter for something like PS5 to PS Portal. They both need to share same channel, it doesn't matter how big the channel is because they both need to take turns. The turns will be over faster since they can transfer more data in a shorter time thanks to the bandwidth, but each device still has to wait for the other device to finish, and this sequential operation adds latency:

-PS5 sends frame A to router
-router sends frame A to Portal
-PS5 sends frame B to router
-router sends frame B to Portal

Using that separate 6Ghz network, or a separate 5Ghz network on Wifi6 routers with dual 5Ghz radios, to put the PS5 and the Portal on separate channels would be better:

-PS5 sends frame A to router
-PS5 sends frame B to router, while router sends frame A to Portal
-router sends frame B to Portal, while PS5 sends frame C to router

It's not really frame by frame, obvi, but you can see how the independent channels allow for parallelization thus decreasing latency: sharing the same channel takes 4 transmissions for 2 "frames", using different channels takes 3 transmissions for 2.5 frames (the extra half is because frame C is already halfway to the Portal after just 3 tranmissions from the PS5)

Seperate channels/networks _should_ be effectively close to wired speeds and latency even with WiFi6, but having one side wired is always going to be best because there is always some latency in Wifi, even if only one device is currently on a channel, because the router always needs to be ready for other devices, and that checking takes time.

I did the split network thing myself: one 5Ghz radio on my main tri-radio Wifi6 router is basically dedicated to my Steam Deck or my dinky laptop, on a different 5Ghz channel than the 40 other devices in the house. With my PC hardwired into the main router, Steam Remote Play is practically flawless: device to device latency is 1ms! So that's 1ms for inputs to the big rig plus 1ms for frames back to the Deck or laptop, effectively 1/8th of a 60Hz frame of input lag. That's probably a better response than the screen on the laptop!

Hmm, now I'm wondering what the hardware input latency is on a Steam Deck...

[Nucleosynthese]

I love it when Bob gets a bit nerdy. It's cool that he is getting these prominent PC brand sponsors. You deserve it Bob 👍

[yochrisnelson]

Legitimately incredible video, you’re too damn funny and you consistently break my brain with some of these edits

[AndIThinkThisIsIt]

Bob has the best clone bits in the community. Hands down.

[TynologyGaming]

I've been waiting for the 0:48 Bob crossover for like a year. Bravo, nailed it 👏

[TynologyGaming]

As someone that splits my time between US and Canada with an ASUS router, it was insane to me that I was able to set up a VPN *while in Canada* and access my home network NAS to pull video files off. That feature alone is worth the cost of entry by far.

[delecti]

You should look into powerline ethernet. For some obnoxious reason, my fiber comes into my house in the master bathroom's closet, and running a cable to my TV or office would be ridiculous. Instead there's ethernet between the router and a powerline ethernet adapter, and there are also adapters around my house to receive it. Gets around the wall limitation of Wifi without needing cables lying all over.

[emerson-biggons]

That editing flex right off the rip. Damn

[brahyamalmonteruiz]

5:20 bandwidth? Dude thats the new channel for the wifi communication

[Hako_exe]

Oooo. 16min video on wifi 7
Gonna pass but hey bro get the bag ya know 😊