The State of Horus Heresy 2.0 After 6 Months (Part 2)

[TheOuterCircle]

"You're salty" I see it now.

But am I wrong?

[Jetcom]

Don't let the nay-sayers get to you man - most of us value what you have to say. Don't let a vocal minority of shills get to ya

[Krullio]

I suppose the spirit of Alan Bligh has been thoroughly exorcised from the HH at this point.

[Krystus]

I started Heresy maybe 2-3 years ago. It was expensive and there was noone in my area to play with. I jumped in, your "Get started" series helped me a lot. And finally I managed to convince my closest friends from the club to play Heresy with me. Your movies helped them to start too. Now new edition is out and I am just tired of this new edition and what GW is doing. I try to stay away from it. I have my old edition and a whole lot missions and campaigns that I never played. Keep up the great work!

[knightsolaire]

In, the numerous games I've played in 2.0, I have never once struggled against reactions. Ever. Just last Sunday, I had 3 different methods of entering the board via reserve (deep strike, ouflank, normal reserve move on.) in my list. I went up against an opponent who gave every possible unit he could, augury scanners. Every single one. I found that wargear had plenty of counterplay for a couple reasons.

1. I already had a whole turn of shooting because my reserves entered play turn 2. I neutered many key threats with nemesis bolters in this time to prepare for my units entering the board via reserves.
2. When my units entered reserves, I brought the toughest models I could on first. In this case it was a outflank assault with Javelin Speeders. Their t6 (preventing ID) and 4 wounds allowed them to tank a heavy support squad of lascannons I'd already bullied in the prior turn. My Night Raptors were then able to deepstrike in, and with pinning, and night fighting along with removing the key upgrades my opponent had taken to neuter my pin test on deep strike (nuncio voxes), I pinned the lower leadership units my models on the field wanted to charge (negating their overwatch) with my night raptors and then charged them into a another unit I didn't find too threatening in overwatch.

Do I think it's silly that reactions force a very focused playstyle of nemesis bolter bullshit? Yes. Do I think Augury scanners make the game broken? No.

I have killed so many god dam Cataphractii Terminators, I really don't think elite termies are overpowered. Contemptors do it better and as you say, are ridiculously op. However, I agree, Elite termies may very well become the next problem if contemptors are fixed.

Overall, while I think I disagree with you on some things, I think you give the main point I agree with that, when combining the issues you raise, the edition forces specific "meta" lists, and I think that's a huge failure of the edition.

Edit: I responded too hastily, so I've edited what I've written to provide what I believe to be a more balanced perspective.

[eskimochocolate]

Hey man! I would like to hear a 3rd installment.
I don’t play heresy, but I’m interested in how the rules have changed and your the only channel I watch that covers it.
Cheerz cob!

[kausalkraken]

I am laughing because you described my life in 10 yrs. HH came out during my last year of high school. Now that I am grown and have no time, we are playing 1st ed HH. No one is buying GW products anymore, and just print them or recast bulk buy. GW can't write rules anymore.

[MineKynoMine]

I nearly started playing heresy 2, the local store started up a league. Game 1, 4 people ran full contemptor lists. Game 2 only those 4 players showed up. Game 3, only 1 person turned up. Good thing I never invested money in the system

[hansandersts]

Im curious if you have ever looked at Infinity by Corvus Belli, i have always felt the reaction mechanics in that are pretty interesting. And the free army builder app, free rules and updates and a wiki to look up special rules doesn't hurt either.

[sheevpalpatine]

Heresy 2.0 did breath life into my local community and provided me a way to hop into a system I'd wanted to play for some years but with no local presence had not joined. And even then I can agree with all of Maccas points about 2.0. Oh yeah and it took me 4-5 months to get mk3 and 4 ordered to my lgs.

[rambo]

Another great video! Please make pt 3. Do You also thinking to go back to hh1?

[TeutonicKnight]

My group played it for a month or two. Now we’re back to heresy 1

[Revaniteu]

Suffer not the shill to live.
Keep at it Macca. This is content that keeps me following your channel.

[Confessor]

It's sad that at my local GS Heresy basically died shortly after the release narrative campaign that was run. The stock slowly disappears, but I never see any games nor is there ever any conversation in the chat channel dedicated for it on discord.

[OzymandiasRex]

This breaks my heart. Why couldn’t they have just stayed with last edition and fixed psykers?

[jaredkirkland]

If Reactions were more like the legion specific ones that are “once per game” like the Raven guards, would that help make a more interesting game? Obviously the shooting ones need rebalancing, but if it’s once per game, wouldn’t that provide a more narrative experience in a battle?

[DirtyMardi]

What’s really concerning is that it’s been 6 months and very very few fixes and updates. Can’t justify putting money on something that’s not properly supported.

[georgemarsden]

6:33 for some units in 40k (with the expenditure of cp) there is extra assault phases.

[Dark_Apostle_Krosis]

How come landspeeders can't move over troops? I may have missed that rule somewhere

[waltercook]

Reactions for Gates of Antares would work in HH. The shooting reaction is only at 20 inches away if the someone shots at you. so if your shooting someone at 21 plus inches away they can’t react. Shooting on a charge is, both units shoot each other simultaneously only if there shooting. weapon is a close combat weapon.