Will your Apple Mac SSD FAIL...?

SSDs have a finite lifespan, and Apple likes to make them non-user upgradeable. How likely is it that your Mac SSD will fail? Should a soldered SSD stop you from buying a new MacBook Air or Pro?

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[davidkachel]

Apple should hire this guy as VP of excuse-making. Apple has ALWAYS put far less RAM and much smaller hard drives in their computers. Now they put much smaller, IRREPLACEABLE drives into their computers, along with permanently soldered RAM. This 30+ year Mac users got tired of being screwed... no more Macs for me!!!

[Clawthorne]

Regardless of whatever mystery SSD voodoo Apple is doing behind the scenes (and not telling us), my next laptop will be a Framework.
The fact that it has somehow become acceptable for RAM and SSD to be soldered and is atrocious. E-Waste by design.

[kevinmckenna]

I’m dealing with a dead 2019 Intel 16” MBP right now, all because of the soldered-on NANDs. Apple is demanding over $1000+ to repair it by replacing the entire logic board. Only the NANDs are dead, but I’m forced to buy a new CPU, GPU, system memory, etc just to fix a hard drive. I told them no, and it’s currently being evaluated by a private repair business. Having a $3000 laptop die only 6 months out of warranty is damn frustrating.

[edd]

The M macs are good machines, just keep in mind that if the SSD fail the whole machine gets bricked as even to boot from an external drive the SSD needs to be alive. that does not happen to PCs as you can boot windows on external drive and use the PC just fine even if its soldered to the mother board.

[oldfinnishfarmer]

I wouldn’t be surprised if EU would add another rule for Apple and computer manufacturers to make it possible for end users to change their hardware components. I heard they are in the process of making changeable batteries like old Nokias used to have. I used to carry around another battery with my old phone back in the early tech days 😅

Though, that would set them back in the grand scheme of making their products work fast and seamlessly.

[pmoohkt]

I think you missed one point: laptop can fail for many other reasons than SSD, like coffee spill on the keyboard, fall from table... With a "regular" laptop, just pop the SSD out and hook it up to any system using an USB adaptor, and in less than 20 minutes you are back working. With soldered SSD, have to send the laptop to repair, knowing that your important and confidential data is locked inside and potentially accessible to the "genius" who will fix your system. Sure have backup... from few hours / days before. This is the only reason I stick to Lenovo Thinkpad 😃

[larrylarrington]

i actually have no problem with the ssd being soldered on. my issue is that those chips aren't for sale so that even repair shops that are able to do that type of repair can not do it.

[Myoshin.]

Informative video. If the SSD failed within 6 years and you bought it in the UK then you might be covered by the UK consumer protection law, as you could argue strongly that the component was faulty because it should be fit to last. This would save the expensive AppleCare that only covers an extra 2 years.

[Wannes_]

You just got lucky
I've had the SSD part of the Fusion drive in my Mac Mini fail
Fortunately, these were still replaceable (and with an adaptor, converted to M.2)

Apple's RAM and SSD are a pure scam by Tim Crook
256 GB extra for the price of 4 TB in NVME format !

[allenb]

The worry is more of how do you get it repaired 3 years after the purchase? Alot of videos explains why it is futile and its almost a brick when ssd fails.

[aaroncheah]

My 2012 MBP was using a removable SSD for years. It failed with 1% health after 7 years. The laptop was running for 24x7 since 2016.

Luckily it is user replaceable so out goes the old SSD and in with the new SSD under 30 mins including reinstalling Catalina.

I'm planning to upgrade to the M2 soon but still thinking and reading before making the splash.

[mannkeithc]

I have a similar experience with SSDs. I've been using SSDs since 2012. My first SSD was a crucial SATA 6 M4 512GB drive that I used to replace the HDD in a mid-2009 MacBook Pro 15. The MacBook's display failed but the SSD still works! I've had HDDs, USB thumb drives and MicroSD cards fail, but all the SSDs I've purchased since are fully functional. My current Apple PC is M2 MacBook Pro 13 with 2TB storage. I wanted to try Sonoma developer release using a dual boot set-up, but as my internal SSD was two thirds full, I installed Sonoma on a SanDisk Pro-G40 TB3 1 TB SSD formatted as an APFS volume. I was surprised that this external TB3 SSD has read and write speeds almost as fast as the MacBook's internal SSD, using Black Magic's disk speed test. So, there are viable, if not pretty, ways to expand your Mac PCs hardwired SSD storage.

[designwithphoenix]

The other thing that is not mentioned. that is i have personally worked on an have experienced other people who have brought in there brand new Machine because of a surface mounted component burns out or fails then makes it so that if the customers data is lost. and so if you dont put all of your data on icloud then you will not get your data back from the dead machine that Apple has made non functional dude to the tiny capacitors, chokes, small proprietary microchips failing in there devices. on top of all of this Louis Rossman points out how even replacing a holo effect sensor cannot even be replaced or swapped out without the use of reprograming of the serial number with Apples custom proprietary software. so thats great that the SSD's are strong but all of the other components can fail and you will still lose your data, unless you buy iCloud and put every bit of your data on there servers.

[tomaskonopac]

Povídali že mu hráli nemožnost výměny SSD je jeden ze zásadních problémů celé koncepce Apple stejně tak jako to že v základním modelu MAC je jen 256 Gb úložiště což je doslova výsměch v době kdy nikdo normální si nestaví počítač s menším SSD než 1Tb .

[frankhodges]

The MOST important thing to me is, if the soldered SSD is buggered can I still boot the computer off an external backup drive as I do with my old Mac that I use now? Well if the SSD goes short circuit I think that will be a NO but, even if the SSD doesn't go short; it will still be a NO, 'cos the initial boot code that used to exist on an 8K chip is now on the SSD so, one is buggered all round. I will not be buying any of these crap designed rip-off Macs.

[rahantr]

SSD failure is a secondary problem when you can't access your DATA when ANY of the other components fail. What sort of paid ad is this?

[MadisonTen]

One of the problems I'd like Apple to address is the keyboard and trackpad randomly switching off. Started on my MacBook Air M1 in the first 6 months or so, Apple Store said try a full reinstall, which I did, went away for 12 months and now it's back again. I don't think this is a regular hardware issue. I've done another reinstall but it's still here. Usually noticeable when opening the lid from sleep but after a while it'll start happening while using it. Anyone else here figured this one out? I've seen lots of people have the same issue and had whole machine replaced but the issue is still there.

[davidkorcak]

Can confirm the built-in diagnostic shows very high lifespans. My 1TB 14" MBP says 2 % of SSD life used at 50 TBW, so 2500TBW for the whole 100 %. Regular off-the-shelf 1TB SSDs are specced at 600 TBW usually, rarely at 1000TBW.

[JaaaaaaaC]

Well in apples defense soldering an SSD to the motherboard is not a silly design choice. It's an excellent way to get you to buy more MacBooks. I mean if you could just easily swap out the SSD for a couple hundred bucks you aren't going to drop a grand on a new MacBook. We need to be good little customers and consume as many apples as we can. Now throw that MacBook in the trash and buy a new one. Geez it's ancient it's almost 6 months old.

[brentstwocents]

I have a 256GB Mac Mini. After 1 year the disk had a total of 5TBW. At this rate I should have about 29 more years before it might fail. The panic about Mac SSDs having a short life span (especially because of swap memory) is the biggest false alarm since Y2K.