Hydrogen vs. Battery-Electric - What's The Future Of Trucking?

In this video, I compare hydrogen fuel cell technology vs. lithium-ion battery tech for long haul Class 8 trucks. Make sure to drop me a thumbs up if you enjoyed this video! 👍

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[sergeypavlov]

For a car, it doesn't matter how efficient the infrastructure is. Only the price of fuel matters. The price of green hydrogen will fall in price by 2024-2025, and hydrogen cars will immediately become efficient, convenient and economical, etc.

[istvantoppler]

Correction, owner operators
are a small percentage of long haul trucking, Major fleets hold a much larger truck count in the over the road and class four etc

[dougharding]

Nikola will be king 🤴 🙌 all those rich gas and country with kings hydrogen is coming..nikola too the moon

[franciscoshi]

You are very shortsighted in the application of BEV.
Battery swapping solves many of the problems you mentioned for BEV.
Battery swapping reduces the idle time to less than what drivers are required to stop for OHS and it also means you don't need a battery big enough to do the entire trip on one charge.
There are trucks using battery swapping being used commercially in 1000km runs.
You should do better research.

[runartotland]

One error - dwell time is not hours on BEV semis. Tesla Semi recharge 80% in 30 minutes - so dwell is not a factor. Drivers has to stop anyway, and H2 refill is not instant.

[chetcalhoun]

Another good explanation of these different technologies. FCEV is the way to go for long haul trucking as long as the refueling stations are placed strategically along freight corridors. BEVs can work for short haul and city delivery. But replacing the battery packs will add to maintenance and total cost of ownership.

[davefroman]

A: FCEV's still require a pretty hefty 12 kwh battery bank to get the fuel cell to operate. B: Fuel cells have a shorter life cycle than LFP batteries today which will be the chemistry of choice for most commercial vehicles, because they can last 8000+ cycles. C: Fuel cells cost 4x as much to replace. D: A hydrogen powered truck will costs slightly more to fuel than a diesel where as an EV truck will be 1/4 of that cost for energy. E: Cost of infrastructure is 10x that of a charging station, Due to the safety concerns of Hydrogen, which is a fugitive molecule. Or for that matter its 3-5 times more expensive than a battery swap station.

[mcrayfourd]

No hydrogen infrastructure in the us if we go into a recession next year (and it looks like it ) Nikola is toast

[KK-ghdj]

Fusion Fuel, a modular solar-to-hydrogen facility provider based in Portugal, and Electus Energy, a hydrogen fleet-fueling and power infrastructure developer, announced the two have entered an exclusive joint venture agreement to construct a 75 MW green hydrogen facility in Bakersfield, California.

The proposed project is a solar-to-hydrogen site that would make use of Fusion Fuel’s proprietary hydrogen electrolyzer technology, called HEVO. The company said the facility, its first in the United States,  would produce up to 9, 300 tons of hydrogen fuel per year to fuel heavy-duty trucks.

[dougharding]

That means Nikola will be fine they already have the big contract with charge point ev that means nikola bev will do great then when the fcev stations come in 2026 wow nikola will be dominate in both fcev and battery ..nikola to the 🌙

[mohamedfarid]

their is another idea No one see it before

[michaelmourek]

I should of invested in Volvo in Sweden with 10 million people - as IL has 12 million people - America is moving TO SLOW - AGAIN - as they bail out the Teamster Trucking Union with free Diesel Fuel- AGAIN

[timetorelaxfocus]

Good take, I am optimistic about Hydrogen's future.

[ilooi]

If Nikola did not lose years of progress due to Trevor Milton, their tech might be in a such better position. However, now they are playing catchup.

The truck is amazying and makes sens when taking it alone. BUT if u add in the hydrogen network and production that s a big ufff. There are more money invested in lowering battery prices, than in hydrogen. Probably 100+ researches on finding better batteries. Hiw many are there on optimizing hydrogen ? Few...

tl;dr the only way FCEV trucks can win this battle is with exponential investments in hydrogen (which, current market says is not interested in). By the time FCEV become practical ( eg. They have a good cheap refill network ), battery tech would have probably doubled the capacity or significanlty lower the price. FCEVs of the future compete with the EV of today... Unless there.s a hydrogen Elon to really push the advancement, hydrogen trucks implementation moves to slow..

[michaelmourek]

Free Diesel Fuel for all the 18 wheel Semi Truck Drivers - wtf

[bruhabox]

Though I appreciate and agree with much of your thoughts on hydrogen in the heavy duty market, I must strongly disagree with your views on fuel cell vehicles in the light duty market. Here in California we are leading the way for the use of hydrogen in FCEVs. Since 2001 Toyota and other OEMs were testing hydrogen FCEVs here culminating in 2015 when the Toyota Mirai, Honda Clarity FCEV, and Hyundai Tuscon FCEV were made available to the public. These vehicles and the stations proved that hydrogen for heavy duty trucks was viable.

You say that BEVs "can be charged overnight at home". However, about 35% of the U.S. population are renters in mostly in apartments and condos who do not have the access to chargers. In addition, there are many neighborhoods, especially older areas, where many are parking on the street and cannot charge a BEV. These people can benefit from hydrogen FCEVs. Plus, many have avoided BEVs because of range anxiety and the problems in colder climates.

You also mention "total cost of ownership", but in the light duty market, this is not as important as it is with a business who use HD trucks. People buying cars for their personal use usually don't talk about TCO. And, yes, the few FCEVs on the market are on the expensive side, but much of that is because of the low volume. When the number of vehicles increase, the costs will decrease.

Full disclosure, I have been driving a hydrogen vehicle for almost 5 years.

I hope this give you another perspective with the light duty market.

[stultuses]

Current situation for domestic, yes, but ev is pathetic when it comes to towing

Hydrogen for the long term win, at the large scale, ships, large trucks, military, planes etc

When hydrogen gets rolling out, particularly red hydrogen, hydrogen will win out

You can't beat zero emissions (once you get things like red hydrogen at scale)

The whole carbon neutral crap will also run its course in time too, it is folly to worry about being carbon neutral, we have bigger issues to fix first, like the over use of plastics etc

You also need to factor in servicing, the industries will not support training people in different technologies, the industries will want a common technology and therefore training pathways

[mauraece]

The Tesla semi is literally the worst possible design for any semi specifically because it’s driver seat is in the middle of the truck, any CDL Class 8 driver or DOT official can tell you it is a absolute requirement that you put your head out of the window to observe directly when doing any backing maneuver, especially a alley dock. Tesla decision to move the driver seat in the middle simply means the majority of trucking companies, especially Owner Operators, will never buy a Tesla semi because their product creates a massive safety hazard, and where the heck is your co-driver or trainee going to sit???

[jurybonsenor]

Is good to dream, but come down to reality, Tesla will destroy all off them. Sorry to kill your dream .😊😊 p. S. Don’t buy to much Nicola stock, a few will be ok, so you can get your money back.

[arborfinancialservicesoffl]

Hydrogen is over 12$ per gallon today. Hydrogen is 30 years away from even being feasible financially.