Hell EXPLAINED /w Chris Date & Jerry Walls

Believers and doubters struggle to make sense of how Hell fits in the Christian story. This stream is designed to help you navigate the problem of Hell, with experts Jerry Walls and Chris Date representing different views as we map out the territory historically, biblically, and theologically, tackling apologetic questions along the way.

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QC's Hell Video:
Does God send people to Hell?

[mitchellrobinsonphysio]

Great convo! Molinism vs Calvinism would be a good one or an authority, infallibility, inerrancy chat

[KYWingfold]

Can we get a copy of your masters thesis? I did an independent study with Dr. Walls last year that was very enlightening. I’d love to check your work out.

[ThemCoversMB]

Post mortem opportunity makes sense to me. I just don't really see it in scripture this far.

[kevinwells]

If a being’s existence ends, we cannot say that its punishment is eternal. To not exist is to have no properties, including that of undergoing punishment. On Date’s view, one could say, 2 million years in the future, “x, who was annihilated 1.9 million years ago, is still being punished.” This is logically incoherent, even on deprivation of value. One has to exist to be deprived of something.

[kevinwells]

Walls, setting definitely has a wizard ambiance.

[TheMirabillis]

I find Date hugely dishonest. He said around the 31 minute mark that he would prefer to experience misery forever than be annihilated.
No one would truly prefer to suffer in torment and misery forever and ever rather than be annihilated.

[kevinwells]

Many people cannot not see some suspect theological view in scripture. Dale Tuggy sees Unitarianism as self evident in scripture. Gentile Messianic Christians who believe one must follow Torah to rightly relate to Yahweh see that teaching as clear in scripture as well. It is possible to be so in the grip of a framework that we can’t evaluate the evidence otherwise. And yes, this cuts both ways.

[ZachFish-]

Im not going to watch the video, but I came to ask, I thought date was making another book on hell with a few other people, or am I mistaken and he was just talking of rethinking hell in a podcast I heard?
Also, is rethinking hell worth the read, or would I be good to just buy “the fire that consumes”?
Appreciate it!

[kevinwells]

The question is whether immortality is an essential property of personal beings.

[kevinwells]

ECT is not an essential property of a belief in hell. At least not the T part.

[Lightbearer]

THIS IS HOW WE KNOW HELL DOESN'T EXIST AS IT IS A LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY:

1. According to Jesus you must love your neighbour as yourself, you must forgive your neighbour and you must treat your neighbour as an equal to enter heaven.

2. Heaven is an eternal paradise with no sin or suffering.

Now look at the logical impossibility of those two statements: You are supposed to be eternally happy with no suffering and in order to get there you love your neighbour, forgive your neighbour and treat your neighbour as an equal. Explain this then, if you love, forgive and consider your neighbour equal how does god propose to give you eternal happiness if, according to the gods rules, you are supposed to be in eternal suffering because your neighbour is being eternally punished? How could you conform to Jesus' rules if you couldn't care less about people suffering in an eternal fiery pit?

And the logical impossibility is therefore this: A god cannot supply a heaven without suffering and, at the same time, have a hell e.g. Mummy loves Adolf Hitler, how does she get a happy suffering free heaven with Adolf burning in hell? She can't. Hence if god is true to its word, it will have to deliver Adolf to mummy Hitler to give her the eternal suffering free paradise it promised her. And the same goes for everyone else in heaven and hell i.e. you end up with no hell. So what was all the worshiping for?

Like everything else theist, the god inventors weren't smart enough to think anything out logically. What reason does an atheist have to fear hell? And what's the point of a theist trying to get into heaven?

[noelenliva]

Date has twisted Scripture well enough to get people confused. An idea that is not found in Scripture is created while the clear teaching of Scripture is questioned.

[Merrick]

I'm spreading the Good News:

You don't have to believe in ancient mythology. You don't have to fear hell, because people made it up.

Be good to yourself and others. Peace.