How Bad is Flinch in Vanguard? (+Focus vs Hollow Point)

Today I wanted to take a deep dive into the Flinch mechanic in Vanguard to see which variables have an impact on Flinch and how much Flinch will impact gunfights. What do you think of the current state of Flinch in Vanguard?




0:00 Intro
0:30 Do Different Guns Deal More/Less Flinch?
2:38 Does the Gun in Your Hand Matter?
4:19 Flinch Altering Attachments
7:20 Conclusion/Wrapping Up

[sainterasmus]

One of the first gun I tried to progress was the M1 Garand. You have to try really hard with that gun in every gun fight, if you're inaccurate it becomes a 3 shot kill and if the enemy shoots you first with an automatic, it's flinch city for the rest of that engagement.
If you ask me, it makes no sense for the marksman rifles to have so much flinch, when the automatics are able to be just as good at range as them. You can decrease the recoil of guns like the STG to the point of it being a laser and it seems to out dps the M1 as well.
They should probably rebalance it.

[nifrannawas]

Ace, could you do a complete guide of all the weapon profiencies in the game?

[FlyBySimulations]

“Too high, too LOW, lemme KNOW, down BELOW” idk why that sounded deliberate ace but it felt good😂

[ContraG]

Hey Ace, I haven't played COD in a long time. But I remember your analysis and break down vids were top notch. Glad to see things haven't changed. Keep up the hard work!

[monkeyboi]

I agree with your point of randomness that flinch causes which lowers the skill gap, but with sniper rifles if someone is hard scoping a lane, and you quickly get 3 bullets into them, there absolutely should be flinch that throws them off target. In Cold War I’ve seen it a million times where I get a few quick bullets in and they still one shot kill me. Not just a handful of times but 85% of the time. Flinch is good in this specific scenario

[dillonc]

I feel like dauntless would be a top tier perk if it countered the flinch increasing proficiency which isn't common but really annoying to play against. Countering just movement reducing penalties like suppression isn't enough for me to sacrifice something better like ghost.

[elemental]

If sniper don’t get an ads buff flinch needs to be toned down a bit

[rezzbanz]

I just wanted to say you are hands down the most informative cod creator there is. Hard facts and evidence and all opinions are prefaced. Keep up the great work man, glad to see you enjoying playing cod again.

[ezfunperson]

Sniper rifles need some sort of buff in terms of flinch resistance or ADS. Most guns in the game have a far quicker TTK than sniper rifles have of even ADSing. You don't need to have the insane sniper rifles as Cold War did, but in their current state in Vanguard they are very underwhelming to use, and downright frustrating when you can be insta-burst across map from a no-recoil STG before you can even aim your weapon.

[shaunbrender]

The flinch just honestly makes automatic weapons even more powerful than they already are. I'm not a great player and using any slower weapon becomes a pain when the flinch throws off your aim completely.

[minicip]

Was using the SVT-40 and was honestly surprised how much flinch you would take when shot. Definitely throws off your tracking

[triipppzzz]

it’s really not fair how badly snipers are being treated as they aim so slow shoot so slow and have so much flinch. i can literally aim and kill with a stg before somebody with a kar can sprintout aim and fire their weapon. kind of ridiculous

[Olinke]

The NZ41 also has a proficiency that increases flinch dealt if you weren't aware

[Dragoonsoul]

As a person who enjoys snipers, I think they are fine because you can kill the other person before they kill you in 1-shot if you play smart.

If flinch did not exist then when another player lands their 1st bullet on you... they lose despite landing their shot first. The fact the ttk is fast enough to where you can't just use the sniper as a crutch means it is fair the same way standing far away from shotguns is fair.

No weapon should be good in every single situation and put almost complete control in 1 person's hands. So having huge flinch helps reward those people who need 2 or 5 shots to kill for landing their shot before you fire. When you failed using a sniper.

[cesiupro]

I would rather have flinch removed entirely. I've seen some arguments that removing flinch would make the game campier because you won't be able to flinch the camper off target. Well, that's not the case. Removing flinch will make it easier to remove campers from their headglitches.

[ZaphodB]

That's why the BAR is incredibly insane. You get one shot by it and basically aim at the moon.

[jimmypresley]

Flinch on snipers is ridiculous. Hate it that snipers are at a disadvantage at long range to smgs and assault rifles. I would like to see them implement a flinch mechanic that you can only deal flinch to a sniper within a certain distance. Would like to see a good sniper buff aim down sight speed. The fast time to kill in Vanguard makes it not fun to snipe.

[bobjones-ubfr]

Good video, next can you talk about ads on snipers, personally I think the flinch on them would be balanced if I could add fast enough to contest any weapons ttk in the game

[magentamage]

Did you test any of the other attachments that list Flinch Resistance as a stat, like certain stocks?

[robanderson]

Ace, you are truly one of a kind. Thank you for giving Drift0r your testing data. I missed seeing his COD videos over the past couple of years. Between his health problems and his videos drifting in other directions I've given most of his videos a pass. With Cold War it was you, Favstar, and Elgomtaf that saw me through the multi-player (Detested Warzone because of the cheaters).

So thank you, watching his vid on the type 100 but paused it to say I wasn't wrong crowning you the king of COD.