The Sons of Chinggis Khan

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The Sons of Chinggis Khan with his wife Borte - Jochi, Chagatai, Ogedai and Tolui- are all fascinating figures in their own right, and in the future I'll do a biography for each, going into the detail of their exploits, as there are quite a few famous exploits with each. For now, this will suffice to introduce the four of them proper, as they finally start to appear in detail during the invasion of China.

The order I use for the children of Chinggis and Borte comes from Broadbridge (2016). I don't agree with all of her dates for their births (they're generally later than I estimate them to be) but it's an excellent piece none the less.

Atwood (2017) has a very interesting argument: he states that the story of Jochi spending the last years of his life hunting and goofing off in his Ulus rather than face his family, and that much of the general downplaying of Jochi's role in the early conquests, comes from later Toluid historians to diminish the importance of Jochi and his descendants. Note how I point out how Tolui's family takes the throne from Ogedai's children: there was a real sense of the Toluids being usurpers, so they could help legitimize their role by diminishing that of the other branches. A very interesting idea I tried to pay homage to here.

SOURCES USED
Essentially any source you read which discusses Chinggis Khan will discuss his sons in some detail, so here's some readable ones if you're particularly interested in this area.

Atwood, Christopher. “Jochi and the Early Campaigns.” in How Mongolia Matters: War, Law, and Society, edited by Morris Rossabi. Brill's Inner Asian Library, (2017) 35-56.

Broadbridge, Anne F. “Marriage, Family and Politics: The Ilkhanid-Oirat Connection.” Journal
of the Royal Asiatic Society 26 no.1-2 (2016), 121-135.

Man, John. The Mongol Empire: Genghis Khan, his Heirs and the Founding of Modern China.
London: Transworld Publishers, 2014.

McLynn, Frank. Genghis Khan: The Man Who Conquered the World. London: The Bodley Head,
2015.

Ratchnevsky, Paul. Genghis Khan: His Life and Legacy. Edited and translated by Thomas
Nivison Haining. Oxford: Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 1991.

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Overly critical. Juchi was a very able battle commander, respected by the likes of Subutai and Jelme. Chagatai was ferocious but also an extremely competent commander both he and Juchi played vital roles in defeating the Kwharezm empire. Its widely thought Tolui sacrificed his own life for Ogedai, probably one of the most noble things a man can do. None were quite as capable as the great chinggis himself, but who was?!
None of this is mentioned, you just make them out to be a bunch loser drunks.

stevebremner

Lol, humorous video. Like it!

I hope this serves as a lesson to all my fellow drunks out there. You can lose everything. If it wasn’t for Sorghagtani Beki, the wife of Tolui, the Mongol empire would have ended much, much sooner.
Europe can Thank Alcohol for sparing their fate. Without a doubt the entire Europe would have been under Mongols rules had it wasn’t for the death of Ögedei. They had as much chance of surviving the Mongols as Ögedei had with Alcoholism.

superfly

Really good pics. Do you draw them yourself?

pollytheparrot

Great video as usual, however, Chagatai and Joshi had reconciled long before either of them died, and even if their was foul play against Jochi, it's highly unlikely that the Mongols would have used poison.
As for the assessment of the brothers being "spoiled" and having never known the hardships their father had, that isn't entirely true since all of them were born before he had become the Great Khan, and at the very least Jochi and Chagatai would have remembered life when their family was struggling.

snakeySnakeybakey

They might had drinking problems but remember they were among the most talented and vital commanders of their father, even after Chinggis's death the Mongol Empire continued to expand. They were not drunk losers, Chinggis's shadow was just too big.

thevietnamesetree

Sons 1st Jochi (Zuchi), 2nd Chagadai (Tsagaadai) 3rd Ogedai (Ugudei) 4th Tolui (Tului) and others his daugthers

ochiroo

Chaghatai was a famed expert on the Mongol jasaq laws as well as the yosun customary laws. During Ögedei's reign, he was a profoundly influential advisor and legal authority. In the Secret History of the Mongols, he frequently advises on and sanctions many of Ögedei's administrative proposals, commanded during the second Jin campaign and was enormously involved in planning the huge Kievan Rus' campaign. Indeed, his voice is portrayed as the deciding one.

His rivalry with Jochi is well-documented, but his supposed "hatred" of Muslims has most likely been exaggerated. At least two of Chaghatai's most prominent advisors were Muslims. Conflicts between him and his sedentary Muslim subjects likely stemmed from Chaghatai's very literal interpretation of the jasaq, which inherently contravenes several Muslim practices, such as halal slaughter.

Chaghatai was, no doubt, a stern and severe man, but the portrayals of him as fanatical and vicious stem chiefly from pro-Toluid and Jochid sources. Entertaining video, but a fair amount of misinformation and over-simplification.

julia

Chagatai hated muslims the most out of the 4 brothers, yet his domains were the hotbed of islam after his death

lordpinochetuttp

kublai khan is pretty comparable to genghis khan, but no one talks about him

superpowerdragon

Can't wait to see what you do with the timurids!

terrynewsome

Its a shame that Jochi and Chagatai both seemed very capable leaders in their own right but their intense rivalry and arrogance meant that neither was good for stability while Tolui was an excellent commander he was bit of a loose cannon and more unusually interested in war (even by mongol standards) than ruling. Even though Ogedei was a drunk, he was the most amenable and definitely the safe choice.

googane

He should've picked either his eldest daughter or one one of his grandkids

AssasiCraftYogUscus

Damn, if only they had their stupid drinking in check they would have invaded more of Europe and maybe north Africa, who knows? A shame that alcoholism destroyed that from happening.

jacquesmesrine

It's stories like this one that show that we owe it to ourselves not to deify men like Genghis Khan. He may have succeeded against impossible odds, he may have had a million warrior talents, but just as he created the mightiest empire in Asian history, he was also instrumental in laying the groundwork for its later demise.

I coulda done it, too!

xotl